GrapheneOS1d ago
/e/ and Murena have been been promoting their products by misleading people about GrapheneOS for years. This has turned into an all out war on GrapheneOS by their company and supporters. We began regularly debunking their inaccurate claims and they try to frame it as aggression.
Show threadtastyraspberry1d ago

@GrapheneOS It's great you're taking time to clear up factually incorrect claims, whether they're made out of maliciousness or naivety. Constructive community engagement is great!

But please, for the love of god, this information only belongs A) in the threads where factually incorrect claims are being made and B) on your website in the FAQ section.

I know it's not intuitive, but pushing conflict into everyone's face again and again makes your project seem *less* trustworthy, not more.

Show threadthe initra mf1d ago
This!!!

I'd add that I've recently unfollowed GOS precisely because almost every single interaction of theirs seems to have been negative. Even if it's correcting misinformation.
Now every time I see a GOS toot I think to myself "great, GOS drama again." I don't need that in my life.

@[email protected]'s suggestions were on point. I suggest you take them to heart.

P.S.: thanks for making GOS :)
~happy GOS user

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Show threadHybridStaticAnimate

@me @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS

What a horribly apathetic thing to say. They wouldnt respond to abuse if they werent being abused.

Apr 12 at 3:21amWeb
Show threaddwaem20h ago

@HybridStaticAnimate @me @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS

The same here, I only scroll my home feed till the first of 30 posts clarifying again that eOS is bad. This should be considered spam. I don’t even know what is GOS referencing at this point. Is it new eOS attack every time? Is their CEO constantly posting shit about GOS?

Show threadHybridStaticAnimate19h ago

@dwaem @me @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS

Its really hard to cram technical refutation into Mastodons comically small default word limit, thats all.

GOS has long-form posts on Twitter. Mastodon should make an easy way to increase the limit.

A lot of projects do, unprovoked, make attacks at GOS. Its not drama or beef, its malice. This is what causes GOS to defend themselves. Its very unfortunate GOS is subjected to this abuse and it should stop.

Show threadthe initra mf18h ago
Mastodon is a microblogging platform so it somewhat makes sense for it to enforce a character limit. That being said, I agree that 500 characters is not a lot, especially for what GOS does.

Well, there are Mastodon forks, like glitch-soc or hometown, which do indeed have a modifiable character limit. And it seems that migrating to one isn't too difficult.
So there's a solution. Either GOS is unaware of it, or they chose not to go this route.

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Show threadHybridStaticAnimate18h ago

@me @GrapheneOS

They choose not to for various reasons including expanding trust and consuming more resources, and this method currently works anyway. But they would change it if Mastodon unified the value and made it easy to change.

Show threadRihards Olups17h ago
@HybridStaticAnimate @dwaem @me @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS No need for longer posts on Mastodon, just have a blog post or several, link liberally.
Show threadHybridStaticAnimate17h ago

@richlv @dwaem @me @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS

The issue is that puts the corrections and refutations in a place people are explicitly being conditioned to avoid with the misinformation. A mix of both a post on the GOS discussion forum and refutations on Mastodon seem to work the best. But writing up a huge response on the forum takes a lot of time, and many replies have to be context specific.

Show threadRihards Olups14h ago
@HybridStaticAnimate @dwaem @me @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS No need for a huge post. If there was a smaller one that could be amended over time. A generic overview, that does not have to be context specific down to every last message somewhere.
Show threadHybridStaticAnimate10h ago

@richlv @dwaem @me @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS

Lying is so much easier than telling the truth. Its also easier to trick someone than to convince them they have been tricked. Large posts are needed because much of what GrapheneOS does is very technical and/or very involved, on the tech side, or an issue needing a ton of context and evidence on the community/social side. There isnt much of a choice other than huge post.

Show threadthe initra mf19h ago
I don’t even know what is GOS referencing at this point.
Exactly! It's hard to find the source of the issue amongst the tens (if not hundreds) of toots which all sound like "We are being attacked," "$PROJECT has worse security than GOS," etc.
Every time I encounter GOS on my feed it's like I'm dropped into a live battleground. TwT

Perhaps a FAQ site/thread on the forum could go a long way in making it easier to grasp the situation? Instead of writing 10 posts in response, you write one and attach a link to the site/forum.
That way, people could stay informed, and actually useful information would not be lost in the shit storm.

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Show threadRihards Olups17h ago
@me @dwaem @HybridStaticAnimate @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS Same. This pops up frequently. No clue what’s going on. No links to articles like Signal does or FAQ.
Nothing learned, a bit of time wasted.
Show threadHybridStaticAnimate17h ago

@richlv @me @dwaem @tastyraspberry @GrapheneOS

GOS regularly posts evidence with their claims.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116388159407099477

Heres more info.

GrapheneOS (@[email protected])

/e/ and Murena have been been promoting their products by misleading people about GrapheneOS for years. This has turned into an all out war on GrapheneOS by their company and supporters. We began regularly debunking their inaccurate claims and they try to frame it as aggression.

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