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Liam Proven
Daniel Fisher(lennybacon)@lproven Is there an Artist to Name? Or it that image… genAI itself🙈
Alyn@lennybacon @lproven
This guy - Phineas Jones:
https://bsky.app/profile/phineas.bsky.social/post/3m4qd6xyz5s2l
Available for purchase as a poster:
https://www.inprnt.com/gallery/phineas/prompting-with-hitler/poster/
Moravian Kaleidoscopy Ltd🇺🇦@algebraicterror
Thank you - that's better. I'm sad I didn't follow him already - fixed now!
@PhineasX
Thank you - that's better. I'm sad I didn't follow him already - fixed now!
@PhineasX
Leo Ré Jorge@alyn @algebraicterror @PhineasX the original post: https://mastodon.art/@PhineasX/115486515948391346
Michael Simons@lennybacon The truth is: I saw this somewhere but I can't remember where. I saw it come up again. I searched. No hits. So, I shared it without attribution because I forgot the source. Sorry.
@lproven @lennybacon
Honestly, I searched on "You're Prompting With Hitler", and the top link was a reddit post which had a link to the source. I've a SearxNG instance I use, so maybe Google is hiding it given its message.
Honestly, I searched on "You're Prompting With Hitler", and the top link was a reddit post which had a link to the source. I've a SearxNG instance I use, so maybe Google is hiding it given its message.
@lennybacon Looks like only Startpage/Brave have indexed the reddit post I went via.
Of course, if I search "Prompting With Hitler!" on Bluesky, several posts with links to the OG source turn up (and indeed the source themselves), but I imagine Liam's spread too thin to search every social media service he's a member of just to give credit to the creative behind it. But he's apologised, so lets move on.
Of course, if I search "Prompting With Hitler!" on Bluesky, several posts with links to the OG source turn up (and indeed the source themselves), but I imagine Liam's spread too thin to search every social media service he's a member of just to give credit to the creative behind it. But he's apologised, so lets move on.
David Gerard@lennybacon @lproven what a dipshit assumption
you could have searched the image
@lproven IMHO it is the responsibility of the tooter to provide the source and the alt-text, but feel free to see it differently.
Have a nice day!
Update/Context: I got assaulted for asking a question. The guy probably blocked me his post. Now my client shows this post as a reply to my own - not the one with the swear words.
@lennybacon @lproven i'm talking about your post, you fatuous moron
Magical Grrrl Betty@davidgerard @lennybacon @lproven who pissed in your cereal this morning? nasty, self-righteous prick - no wonder you're on Fedi!
@magicalgrrrl @lproven I assume you are talking to David? Or was that a message to me?
@lennybacon @lproven to David. not sure he felt the need to be so nasty. this attitude problem is too common on Fedi. Why is mean snark the default reply for so many on here?
@magicalgrrrl @lproven Actually the first of this kind in years for me 🙈
trademark@lproven fascism is a specific thing, it's not a synonym for "bad". Calling everything you don't like fascism cheapens the word. This is extremely damaging when we have actual fascism in the world today. Fascists currently in power include Trump and Putin. There are also a lot of non-fascist dictatorships like China and Iran. Fascism is an extremely bad thing, don't use the word for anything else. Helpful background: https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/
@trademark I know and I agree. But I didn't create this.
The fascist theme is in the original. And the current US political system that's fostering "AI" fits the definition.
@lproven it's merely that they boost the current hype, it's not inherent in the tech itself. Last time around it was cars: https://nuitalian.org/2022/05/04/how-fascism-built-the-italian-car-culture-that-we-know-and-love-today/ (also in Germany with Volkswagen) both the current bubble and cars do certainly have negative aspects, but they can also be used for helpful things.
Spirit@trademark @lproven EERRR fascism is an inherent part of the technology. Centralization of compute, state sanctioned theft of labor, etc. Even putting aside the aesthetics of those who use it, there is now mountains of writing about its intrinsic links to a global fascist movement.
LevkaWhatever they may call themselves, anyone who does anything at all to help fascists *is* a fascist.
Blyatskrieg
Rob van Kan🔻@trademark @Spirit @lproven I'm sure that the detainees in the deportation camps appreciate your efforts to clarify that not all of their jailors are Fascists in the strict sense /s
@edgeofeurope @Spirit @lproven If you work in a concentration camp you are definitely fascist no way around it. If you do something entirely unrelated like making cars or LLMs you're not necessarily a fascist(you can still be one of course, but it's not for that reason).
FoolishOwl@trademark @lproven I disagree. Generative "AI" is a fascist technology. Its fundamental purpose is a denial of the value of subjectivity, and is a direct attack on human dignity. On top of that, it is built to promote racism and misogyny, and concentrate social power in the hands of the owners of the tech industry. That has been the pattern with "AI" tools prior to the generative "AI" boom, as with, for instance, software that many US courts would use to determine sentencing, that would recommend longer sentences for people of color.
I recommend reading Resisting AI, An Antifascist Approach to Artificial Intelligence, by Dan McQuillan.
https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/resisting-ai
Resisting AI
Resisting AI - An Anti-fascist Approach to Artificial Intelligence; Artificial Intelligence (AI) is everywhere, yet it causes damage to society in ways that can’t be fixed. Calling for the restructuring of AI, Dan McQuillan sets out an anti-fascist approach that replaces exclusions with caring and outlines new mechanisms that support collective freedom.
@foolishowl @lproven "denial of the value of subjectivity" See, this is exactly what I am talking about. This has nothing to do with fascism. It's just the standard bad = fascism. The claim also false, but even it it were true, the claim is unrelated to fascism.
@trademark @lproven 'These fascist themes—racial purity, mass fervor, and authoritarian rule—are held together by one common principle: the degradation of the individual and concomitant exaltation of the group. This principle is a reaction against liberal ideas that lionize the individual. The mechanism by which fascists degraded the individual, however, is an outgrowth of the liberal economic system.'
https://prizedwriting.ucdavis.edu/fascism-and-denigration-individual
https://prizedwriting.ucdavis.edu/fascism-and-denigration-individual
@foolishowl @lproven "exultation of the group" is something which is common in all kinds of authoritarian systems. It is not unique to fascism. The authors are just saying fascism = "whatever I don't like". One of the defining features of fascism is "life is lived for the struggle" the fight itself is the point. This means a fascist nation cannot be peaceful, it needs always to have an enemy it is fighting. Fascism is uniquely bad because its attributes often leads to war with an external enemy.
@trademark @lproven All systems of authority are at war continuously.
The difference I see between fascism and authoritarianism in general is that fascism acknowledges no restraints, to the point of absurdity and extinction.
So authoritarianism in general exults the collective over the individual, but fascism seeks the total destruction of the individual.
And that's what I see as the underlying ideology of generative "AI". The idea is that creativity does not require subjectivity, that there is no such thing as subjectivity, that human beings can be completely replaced by stochastic text generators
@foolishowl @lproven Authoritarians are too diverse to generalize like that.. Some are quite content to stay within their country, some will attack weaker neighbors if there's opportunity. Some will attack to obtain resources. The fascist need for struggle is strong so they may attack just for the struggle itself. "total destruction of the individual" is not a particular fascist characteristic. You really need to stop this fascism = bad thing you got going on.
@trademark @lproven Nope. It's meaningless to exert authority if there's no resistance. Exerting authority against resistance is war. Authoritarianism is perpetual war.
@foolishowl @lproven "It's meaningless to exert authority if there's no resistance", this is an extremely wrong statement, where on earth is it coming from? Seems like some incredibly badly garbled version of Marxism? Many authoritarians throughout history have been perfectly happy to just levy taxes and leave people alone if they paid. Again: there are many many forms of authoritarianism. You can't generalize like you're doing.
@trademark @lproven Read Against the Grain by James C. Scott and get back to me about what levying taxes historically has meant.
@foolishowl @lproven While interesting, the book does not support your statement "It's meaningless to exert authority if there's no resistance". You're basically saying that the only reason for being a dictator is to see people suffer. While some dictators do have that motivation, not all do.
@trademark @lproven You're literally arguing against a tautology.
@foolishowl @lproven No, I am arguing based on what your words mean according to the normal dictionary definitions. Various cults will often redefine words to mean something else, your use seems to be something Marxist-adjacent, but not something I am familiar with, which is why I am asking where is it coming from? It's clearly not from "Against the Grain".
not ch1c@trademark @lproven the first move of every fascist regime, including the one still working to consolidate power in the U.S., is to destroy the idea of truth. Not to mention the open technofascists pushing AI on all of us nonstop. The poster seems fine (unless it’s AI ofc) 🙂
oatmeal
Yet another Josh 
@lproven
No, you're prompting with.... MECHA-HITLER.
Thats what Muskrat's ai calls itself.
The Photonsphere@lproven The knife in Hitler's right hand—the one he was about to stab that man with—has clearly been removed. This is censorship!
Kargas ☀️🌱⚙️📖🎲@lproven don’t make me bring Mike Godwin in here!
Bruce Simpson, Ph.D.@lproven Bring the kryptonite!
Hardhead13Me: Hey, brain... take this photo of a cottage, change the siding to Maibec Canexcel Granite.
Brain: Do I look like fucking Picasso to you? That sounds like a hell of a lot of work. I wouldn't know how to even start. Fuck right off with that shit.
Me: ChatGPT, take this photo of a cottage and change the siding to Maibec Canexcel Granite.
ChatGPT: Ok. Here it is.
@Hardhead13 Looks to me like you should add botlicker and ChatNPC to your list of self descriptions.
"Botlicker" is very clever, I'll give you that.
Jens Finkhäuser
Martin Kostera@Liam Proven What a BS.
#^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
@Chao-c' Prothora, co to sdílíš za sračky? 🤷♂️🙄
#^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
@Chao-c' Prothora, co to sdílíš za sračky? 🤷♂️🙄
Chao-c'@martin ty jo, myslíš, že AI se netýká Godwinův zákon? 🙂
Popravdě, je to stejně nepřesná paralela, jako jakákoliv jiná. Jde spíš o technokracii, než o fašismus, ale z hlediska běžného uživatele budou rozdíly nejspíš minimální...
@Chao-c' Tak proč to propaguješ?
@martin přijde mi to vtipný, relativně.
Asi proto, že si o AI v podobě LLM nemyslím nic moc dobrýho....
Směrování technologií se vymklo zpod kontroly už dávno, ale celou dobu to vypadalo, že by to ještě mohlo jít nějak zvrátit. Fakt se domnívám, že jestli prorazí AI v dnešní podobě, tak je to definitivně v háji.
@Chao-c' 😁
Píšu to tu na Fediverse už poněkolikáté - jsa očitým svědkem i spolupacvhatelem, tak vím, že se LLM používají v české ekonomice už minimálně 4 roky. Už roky se nevedou debaty "jestli prorazí". Snažíš se bojovat válku, kterou jsi už dávno prohrál. 🤷♂️
Asi má smysl nějak řešit zdroje učení, ale to je asi tak všechno...
Píšu to tu na Fediverse už poněkolikáté - jsa očitým svědkem i spolupacvhatelem, tak vím, že se LLM používají v české ekonomice už minimálně 4 roky. Už roky se nevedou debaty "jestli prorazí". Snažíš se bojovat válku, kterou jsi už dávno prohrál. 🤷♂️
Asi má smysl nějak řešit zdroje učení, ale to je asi tak všechno...
@martin No hele, to, že se třeba programovalo tak hloupě, že se vyplatí si to nechat psát od LLM, místo psát ručně... to je trochu chyba evoluce programování jako takové...
Prostě se prosadí takové změny syntaxe programovacích jazyků, že nakonec bude snazší to pořád napsat přímo, než vymýšlet prompt, který by vyplodil něco nesrozumitelného.
Je to asi stejné, jako bylo kopírování kódu místo používání funkcí a maker: prostě kopírovat kód (kterému navíc často někdo plně nerozumí) někam, kde nebude nejen udržovaný, ale ani udržovatelný, je proti všem trendům, které existovaly v informatice poslední desetiletí.
Co se kreativního využití genAI týče, tak je to podobné: zadání grafikům byla stále blbější, až se to teda dá nahradit něčím generovaným a nikdo toN nepozná.
Ano, zatím zanikly "profese", které možná ani neměly existovat, to je možné. AI asi převede spoustu činností na "nejmenší společného jmenovatele", začne být vnímána jako igelitový sáček... ale s plasty je spousta problémů, že.
Nevím, stěží si dovedu představit, že tohle je nějaká poslední fáze vývoje. A tohle je parodie klasického propagandistického plakátu s 2.světové, citace... takže to může parodovat i anti-AI rétoriku, která v podstatě nemá dobré nápady, co s tím...
@Chao-c' 😁
Z toho textu jde jasně vidět, že jsi to fakticky nezkoušel a nevíš, o čem je řeč. Mě v KB dnes LLM agenti ušetří brutálně hodně času studiem starého kódu a navrhne změny, u kterých dělám jen code review a testování. Co by mi trvalo dny, trvá mi hodiny. No neber to! 🤷♂️😁
Ta naivní představa, že si udělám prompt na několik A4 a vyplivne mi to použitelnou apku, je srandovní. Takhle to nefunguje. A kdo ví, jestli někdy bude. Ovšem orientace agenta, který za tebe za několik minut nastuduje celou repozitory a najednou zná všechny možné funkce, procedury, konstrukty a dovede z toho vybírat/upravovat/navrhovat, to je skutečně masakr. Zkus si to.
Z toho textu jde jasně vidět, že jsi to fakticky nezkoušel a nevíš, o čem je řeč. Mě v KB dnes LLM agenti ušetří brutálně hodně času studiem starého kódu a navrhne změny, u kterých dělám jen code review a testování. Co by mi trvalo dny, trvá mi hodiny. No neber to! 🤷♂️😁
Ta naivní představa, že si udělám prompt na několik A4 a vyplivne mi to použitelnou apku, je srandovní. Takhle to nefunguje. A kdo ví, jestli někdy bude. Ovšem orientace agenta, který za tebe za několik minut nastuduje celou repozitory a najednou zná všechny možné funkce, procedury, konstrukty a dovede z toho vybírat/upravovat/navrhovat, to je skutečně masakr. Zkus si to.
@martin spíš bych se ptal, proč se píše více a více kódu, který se ve stále kratších termínech pořád předělává? Samozřejmě, pokud jsi někdo, kdo je za to přepisování placený, tak ti to připadá žádoucí, ale fakt to musí takhle fungovat?
Kam se přesně vydá vývoj v éře AI, to není jasné, ale představa, že budou programátoři placení furt stejně i v éře, kdy za ně většinu práce udělá AI, mi přijde docela naivní. Já se teda jako programátor naštěstí už spoustu let neživím....
@Chao-c' Regulace, stát, EU. A ne vždy je to nesmysl, který si jen tak něco vymyslel. Podrobnosti ti popisovat asi nemůžu. Samozřejmě to nejsou předělávky pro předělávky, ale zpravidla nové funkčnosti, nebo změněné na základě právě vnějších vlivů.
Ale třeba nás čeká nový report nařízený ECB, který bude brát v potaz odhadem 350 entit v DWH. Bankovnictví se stále vyvíjí. 🤷♂️
Jak jsem psal - programátor s LLM není programátor bez LLM. To je prostě jiná skupina. A trend je takový, že ti bez LLM nebudou stíhat a budou zcela okrajoví.
Ale třeba nás čeká nový report nařízený ECB, který bude brát v potaz odhadem 350 entit v DWH. Bankovnictví se stále vyvíjí. 🤷♂️
Jak jsem psal - programátor s LLM není programátor bez LLM. To je prostě jiná skupina. A trend je takový, že ti bez LLM nebudou stíhat a budou zcela okrajoví.