Bathroom remodel and pack rat eviction day.

There's been a pack rat under the bathtub and in the wall between the bathroom and my bedroom for years. It got in through the bathtub drain penetration that was never sealed up when they remodeled the place in the '90s.

It finally got too smelly to the point where even though this is not how I want to spend my time, energy and money at the moment, I couldn't ignore it anymore.

First picture is my contractor friend prying the old tub up. Second picture shows the mass of pack rat poop, cactus thorns and nest material that had accumulated under there. The red things are from a bush I have outside called Sophora davidii. It has gorgeous cobalt flowers and beige pods full of bright red seeds. They are not edible, but I think the pack rat just thinks they're pretty.

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I was wearing an N95 respirator, but once I got into it I was seriously wishing I had put on a Tyvek suit. After several rounds of sweeping and cleaning and scooping and vacuuming, with an exhaust fan blowing dust out through the window, I took my clothes off in the laundry room and went straight to the shower.

Now Michael is in there bleach mopping the whole room. We're gonna let it dry out before going back in and doing more work.

Rat shit around here may contain Hantavirus and Leptospira bacteria.

The nests are also home to "kissing bugs" (family Triatominae) that spread Chagas Disease. The kissing bugs feed on your blood and poop on your skin. When you itch the bites, possibly unconsciously in your sleep, you can spread the feces into the wound, providing an entryway for the parasite Trypanosoma cruzi that causes Chagas disease.

I knew this was gonna be a big, gross job, which is why I had put it off for so long. But doing a search for what illnesses pack rats in Southern Arizona might carry, plus the increasing smell, was enough to convince me that It Is Time.

And just for fun they were cockroaches living under there too.

By the way, here's a pro tip for sealing up plumbing intrusions and making them rat proof and cockroach proof:

Wrap the hole with multiple layers of quarter inch or half inch hardware cloth nailed or stapled to the surrounding wood and wired tightly to the pipe. Create a multi layer wire cage in the opening. Then fill the whole space with spray foam.

Rodents will not be able to chew through this, it will keep out roaches and you get the added benefit of sealing against airflow.

This is what we will do around the drain pipe when we replace the bathtub. I'll post photos when we get around to it. But this method is cheap, easy and very effective.

Progress!
This is the bathtub area after all the rat poo had been cleaned up. I shoveled and swept it all out, then he used a shop vac on it, then we bleach mopped the whole room.

That flooring is 7/8" clear, old growth fir tongue and groove. It provides both the subfloor and the floor for the entire house. Subsequent remodels have involved putting 3/16 plywood over it, then carpet or stick-on cheap linoleum tiles on that, but I'm ripping that out and replacing it with probably 5/8 plywood. Only the bathroom is getting done right now.

Still haven't decided on the finish floor.

What the shower alcove looks like this evening at quitting time. I opened up the floor, removed the crappy old siding and scraped up all the old linoleum tiles.

The green you see is a tarp laying on the ground in the crawlspace underneath the house. I crawled under and spread it out to catch all the rat poo and cactus thorns that I knew would fall down there. I'll pull it out tomorrow and we'll get underneath there and start figuring out the new plumbing.

And look who I found! In the fir tongue and groove siding behind the shower unit a hole had been chewed into the wall cavity. When I started taking that apart, I found the rat hiding in there!

Such a cutie. I grabbed a couple towels and was able to corner him up in the wall cavity grab him and throw him out the window. He scampered over the wall into the neighbors yard.

Between the neighbor's cat, the great horned owl that lives nearby, the large rattlesnake that the neighbor across the alley found the other day, the Harris' hawks, the coyotes and the bobcats, I don't think he will be around for too long. I will not miss the little fucker, but it's gonna take forever to get the smell out of there even with bleach.

Day Two of #RatShitRemodel.

According to the deed, this house was built in 1945, though the realtor back in 2007 said that she thought it was 1925. Either way, it's ~ century old and has gone through several remodels, none of them particularly "up to spec."

The more we tore into everything, the more information we got about what was actually in the walls and under the floor.

By late afternoon today it became fairly apparent to both of us (even to me who is paying for all this) that we should strip it to the bones and start from scratch. So that's what we did!

We removed what in some cases was two layers of sheet rock and the original bead board underneath it.

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The vanity and toilet area when those things were removed and the sheet rock was stripped off. The original bead board is what you're seeing, covered in (certainly lead based) sickly green paint. But, that wood is clear, tight grain, old growth fir and the back sides are still raw wood and in great shape. We tore all this off and I will be reusing it, which I'll describe later.

The style of this house is what I described as "low budget Craftsman" or maybe "Craftsman-inspired." As I, over time, remodel each section, Craftsman style will be a rough guide, but not something I try to adhere to dutifully.

You can see the paint "scar" left by the very tall baseboards, a common feature of Craftsman style. The hole in the wall was a medicine cabinet and you can see the original sink mark below that and the toilet tank mark lower on the left.

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This is the original cast-iron vent stack, where it comes up from the crawlspace. Note the giant gaps left behind and around it! It's rather amazing that the rats never found this hole and created a nest in this wall too.

No rats, but it was full of a century of cockroach frass, as well as a few roaches. I was not as kind with the roaches as I was with the rat yesterday. Just sayin

All these gaps will get sealed tight when we're done.

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Here's something interesting. It may not be obvious, so I'll explain it. Modern stick framed houses are built in a manner known as platform framing. Floor joists are laid across from one part of the foundation to the next, spanning the gap above what will become the crawlspace. And then a solid sheet of, typically, 1-1/8 inch tongue and groove plywood sub flooring is screwed and glued to the top of the joists. This creates a very solid integral platform that is extremely stable. Then the walls are framed on top of that.

In this house, the joists were set and then the wall plate was built directly on top of the joists. Then the sub flooring, in this case one by four tongue and groove boards, was put down on top of the joists after the fact.

When they did so, they left this huge gap that allows any creatures from the crawlspace to access wall cavities if there are any irregularities. That's how the cockroaches were getting in.

Based on things like the type of material, the date stamped on the sheetrock and so, we figure one of the remodels happened in the late 1950s and another one in the late '80s or '90s, and possibly some smaller modifications here or there over the years.

We are tearing all of this old stuff out: wall coverings, wiring, plumbing — and replacing it with efficient, nontoxic, safer modern materials.

But I will note a certain wistfulness in doing this. Peeling through the layers, we find things like carpenter's marks from people who have probably passed away long ago. I can imagine the builders in 1945 melting lead and pouring it into the joints of the vent stack, or someone else 40 years ago being proud of their new, modern looking, white sheetrock covered bathroom. No more ugly, green lead paint!

As we peel off the layers, it's easy to imagine the lives that have been lived in that space, as well as the people who built it. How many people? Who were they? Were they happy?

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Each wall we open up is like an archaeology dig. We have fun trying to decipher the original purpose of each piece of orphan pipe, strangely placed hole or puzzling method of framing.

It all tells the history of the house and the people who have lived here and built it, as well as keeping a record of the styles and materials that were popular over the last hundred years.

But we are tearing it all out. I noted previously I feel a little wistful about that. 50 years from now, a future remodeler will not have this experience. They will only find the original framing and what we will be adding in the next week as we put it all back together.

It will be nice! Rat proof! Cockroach proof! Insulated! A new fancy shower. Nothing will leak. The toilet will flush properly.

But the ghosts that have lived hidden in the walls will be gone. And that feels a little sad.

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The #RatShitRemodel as of this morning. We had to remove the old subfloor to get to the plumbing. Doing so revealed that past leaks had caused some degradation in the joists.

The wood still has plenty of integrity, so we are going to sister new 2x6s onto the existing ones instead of removing them. Both of the vent pipes to the left have been removed. Neither was hooked up or functioning properly. We will replace it with standard, modern 2 inch ABS.

I spent the whole afternoon under the house in a Tyvek suit, belly crawling under the house with a cordless recip saw hacking out what felt like miles of abandoned water and gas line.

I was also trying to figure out where the main waterline comes in to the house, but still haven't. Most of the waterlines under the house are half inch copper, which functions adequately. But one section is only 3/8 copper that needs to be upgraded. The big problem is that it's all one system, including the spigots on the outside walls. By the time water is getting pushed through a garden hose, it has very little pressure. I need to fix this so I can run timers and drippers.

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#RatShitRemodel update!
Maybe should now call it #RattlerRemodel!

I was in the far back corner of the house, and had just hacked the last chunk of an abandoned gas line out from under the floor when I saw a little reptile head drop into a pocket in a cinder block that was protruding from the foundation.

"Oh hi lizard," I said and then moved my face closer to see what it was… and then bolted back immediately when I saw that it was a rattlesnake coiled up in there!

Remember, I'm in this crawlspace, belly crawling with very little room to move and seeing the snake 18 inches from my face in the light of my headlamp!

I scooched out of there super fast and crawled out between the joists in the bathroom. My friend who I'm working with and I pondered what to do.

My first thought was to get a bag of ice out of the freezer and cover the snake with it, coiled up as it was in that small little pocket. Once the snake got really cold, it probably wouldn't be able to move very fast. I got an extra-long-handled pointy-nose pliers and we put some plastic pipe extenders on the handles, to make them about 2 1/2 feet long. The idea was to chill the snake and then I would reach into the cavity with the pliers, grab it and put it in a bucket with a lid.

But...

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When I went back under the house, the snake had left its hidey hole and was now semi stretched out on the top of the foundation. It turns out it was a much bigger rattlesnake than I had thought originally!

I didn't want to lose sight of it, so I instructed Michael on how to make a noose out of of a broomstick. He did so and then I scooched back over to the snake and noosed it easily.

Then I crawled out with it, keeping enough tension on the noose to hold the snake while trying not to hurt it, crawled out through the joists and then stuck the snake through the bathroom window where Michael had a bucket.

Now that the sun is down, I'm going to take it a few blocks away to the edge of the desert and let it go.

The original location of the snake was farther back, where there was much less room to maneuver.

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Michael took some videos of me pulling the rattlesnake out, that I will try to share later.

Just another day at the #RatShitRemodel

Bitey snake in the bucket. Such a handsome guy. Western diamondback. They're very common around here.

The black-and-white stripes are to help call visual attention to the rattle and the sound that the snake is making. Rattlesnakes are generally reclusive and rarely aggressive. The purpose of the rattle is to warn you off.

This is a form of aposematism, a very clear warning that this animal is not good to eat or mess with. Is it fascinating evolutionary adaptation. Wikipedia has a good discussion of it. Worth following some of the links too!

#Snake #Rattlesnake #Herps #Herpetology

Free at last! I took it several hundred yards away to the edge of the wild desert where there was a giant fallen pile of brush so at least it can get safe and get its bearings while it figures out where it wants to go next.

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Maybe one of these nights when I go out #BikeHerping i'll bring a little makeshift noose and make a video of how to catch rattlesnakes. If you have a long enough stick, it's quite easy and definitely the safest way to remove them. There really is no need to kill them, and unless you're shooting them from far away, getting close enough to kill them is more dangerous.

So here's an interesting note on the rattlesnake under the house. Even though snakes can swallow some massive things, I'm pretty sure that packrat I evicted by hand a few days ago was far too big for this snake.

On the other hand, I was commenting to my builder friend here today that I haven't seen any mice in the house for a couple of years, despite there being gaps under the doors and elsewhere that mice can definitely get through. Even when I go away for a couple months, there is no mouse poop when I come back.

I think it's pretty reasonable to assume the snake was happily chowing down on them.

So, while I have evicted the rat, I also evicted the creature that was most likely keeping the smaller rodents away.

Maybe I can convince a gopher snake to take its place.

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Here's me with my makeshift broom noose after I got the snake and crawled up out of the crawlspace.

I was all suited up because of the heavy dust and rat turds under there. It was ...a day.

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Next scene: lower the snake through the window and into the bucket.

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If you're just tuning into this, scroll back a couple days when I caught the packrat that started all this by hand and tossed it out the same window.

Next thing you know, there will be a javelina under there that I will have to evict. A herd of them just strolled by on the sidewalk. Many years ago, when I first got this place, I didn't shut the gate properly and javelinas got in to eat the garbage. As I was running around trying to chase them out, one of them went into the crawlspace access because the screen was loose. I had to run around the house stomping on the floor to herd it back out.

OK, here's the broom noose. The end of the broom handle has a plastic loop for hanging it. One end of the string is well taped to the broom and then there's the loop hanging through. Hook it around whatever you want to catch and pull the string on the left to tighten it up. Incredibly simple.

The #RatShitRemodel is proceeding apace. I did the last of the demolition today while Michael got all the plumbing hooked up (pics TK tomorrow, not yet in this photo). I found a remnant of the original knob-and-tube wiring from the 1940s when I tore open the wall. I'm leaving a little chunk in there.

Photo shows the open floor joists after we sistered new ones onto the old ones and soaked the old ones in linseed oil (why they're so dark) just to make them last a little longer, but even the ones that have been subjected to plumbing leaks had considerable integrity. I wouldn't normally have bothered to do this, but I had some old linseed oil I wanted to get rid of and this seemed like a good use for it.
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Are there any #linoleum or historical patterns geeks on here? Of three layers of floor coverings removed in the #RatShitRemodel, this is the earliest and I'm curious if anybody can tell when it dates from or if there's anything interesting and special about it. The house was apparently built in 1945.
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I received an interesting reference question a few months ago from researchers trying to identify a vintage floral linoleum pattern that was used in a work of art created in the 1960s. They asked if we could find the pattern in some of the linoleum trade catalogs in our library collection. The researchers had searched Hagley’s online library catalog and identified a range of catalogs dating from 1924 to 1952.

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I'm afraid I may have opened a can of rabbit worm holes or something like that. 😂

I think I'm going to grab those pieces out of the scrap pile and keep them for now.

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@Mikal I'm thinking your house is older than 1945 from some of the photos of the construction of it, and these linoleum rugs were popular in the teens through the 30s. The 1914 bungalow we restored in San Jose had two of them, and the colors and styles were similar to your samples. Not to say ours couldn't have been added later, but yours have the look of ones I've seen from the 20s and 30s. I thought they were pretty hilarious when I discovered them. It just seems odd to try to duplicate the look of a rug but not the have the comfort of one, because vacuuming it is a chore.

I'll dig up the photos of the ones we found in that house. I think Old House Journal also did a story on linoleum rugs recently. OHJ is a great resource for anyone who owns an old house if you're not familiar with it.

@Mikal If you're basing the age of the house on county property records, often they have a much later date in their records, because at what ever point they started keeping records, if a house was before that they just used a default date. Which is why our 1888 Victorian is listed as being built in 1950.

Two things you can try to pinpoint the build date better:

1. Check old directories which a library or historical society may have. Reverse directories used to be common and you can look up your address and see if it is listed.

2. Sanborn or other insurance maps are great if you are in a town or city. They didn't tend to cover rural areas much, but they are great because they show the outline of the house, and were updated over time so if you're house was added onto you can narrow down the timeframe of the additions.

@955_36

Oh, interesting tip. The library is two blocks away, so maybe I'll go over there tomorrow. The realtor originally said it was built in 1925, so maybe she had a source other than the title. She is retired, but she may still live in town. I'm sure I could ask around and find out.
I'm now kind of wishing I had carefully delaminated and kept a larger section of that material. I think it would look kind of cool in an old frame.

@Mikal From what I've seen of your house, 1925 sounds more realistic. I think you mentioned it had knob and tube and 1945 would be really late for that. Balloon framing was also being phased out in the 1940s, mainly due to the fire hazards.

When we were researching the history of our Victorian in Ferndale, even without reverse directories being available it was pretty easy because you can easily read the phone directory from cover to cover in a few minutes. Still true today, except that most people have gotten rid of their land lines. That's going to hurt future generations doing research. ( Ferndale has a population of 1300)

@Mikal Here's the two "rugs" we found. The one with the floral pattern was ok and we kept it. The other one I really didn't see the point, especially since it had cracked and the previous owner nailed it to the floor.

I'm wondering if our floral one and yours were the same manufacturer. The colors used are the same.

@955_36 @Mikal That first one reminds me of the house in our old neighborhood, long abandoned, where we found things dating to the 1910’s and earlier (old papers that crumbled to the touch, tin cans under the floor left by carpenters who ate lunch on the job, etc) The linoleums in various rooms were very floral/feathery “Rug motif” stuff.

@955_36

The discrepancy in dates between the deed and what the realtor told us (1945 versus 1925) could be attributed to the fact that Ajo was a company town. So the house could've been built in the '20s, but turned over to private ownership with its own deed in 1945. That would be a very simple explanation.

@Mikal Seems a very logical explanation. What was the company that owned the town? Was their product impacted by the war, and they needed to divest the housing?

@955_36

Phelps Dodge. There was a huge copper mine here. Closed after the mine strike in 1985. Barbara Kingsolver wrote a book about the strike. The pit is several hundred yards from my porch, but you'd never know it from here.

@Mikal Seems like they would have been booming in 1945. Wonder what made them decide to sell the housing. Now you have me going down the rabbit hole.

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Makes me realize I don't know very much at all about the early history of the mine and town.

@Mikal Old linoleum, and its backing and adhesives can contain asbestos .. so please proceed with caution.

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I love the smell of asbestos in the morning. Goes well with the lead paint and rat poo.

@Mikal Boy does that la familiar. Hope you have more fun putting it back together. It’s harder, and more expensive than the demolition, but I sure love having a bathroom I’m proud of and doesn’t gross me out.