Aral BalkanRE: https://infosec.exchange/@molytov/116376968214888959
Gee, maybe Signal shouldn’t keep harassing people to turn on notifications and take no for an answer?
Thoughts, @Mer__edith?
@Mer__edith Oh, and would you look at that, right on cue…
The opposite of “yes” is “no”, not “not now” or “ask me later”.
#hostileDesign #consent #Signal #design #theOppositeOfYesIsNo
@Mer__edith No, thank you. Please don’t.
Behind every app that won’t take “no” for an answer, there’s a developer that doesn’t understand the concept of consent.
This is a legacy anti-feature, implemented at a time before Signal’s new leadership. I expect better, going forward.
mike morris@aral @Mer__edith
To put it more bluntly: Behind every app that won't take "no" for an answer, there's a rapist mentality.
To put it more bluntly: Behind every app that won't take "no" for an answer, there's a rapist mentality.
bewilderbeast23@mikro2nd @aral @Mer__edith Thats putting it more honestly. Wordpress has now added AI shit unasked-for and given google access to everything their bloggers write, no permission granted.
If anyone knows how we can block these thefts, I'd love to hear it.
If anyone knows how we can block these thefts, I'd love to hear it.
Tom Stoneham@aral It is not just developers. Even #Signal needs a network effect to achieve its mission and missed notifications turn people away from an app. @Mer__edith has been clear about the need for this and the way it affects design decisions.
The question they face is whether this is the right compromise between making the app attractive to mass users and respecting those users' autonomy. A three way option might solve that.
@tomstoneham @Mer__edith There’s a reason the base of the ethical design pyramid is Human Rights.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250328100446/https://ind.ie/ethical-design/
(Make it 10 different options if you like, as long as one of them is “no.”)
Hyde 📷 🖋 
@aral @Mer__edith 100% agree on this.
Please dont copy bad features others built in their app.
Marcella Francesca 
>Turn me on?
<Not know!
>We'll remind you later.
<I'd be having a headache and I'm not in group-sex either!
JimmyB (he/him)@Mer__edith @aral there should be a special place in hell for developers who have yes and later as options…
Deixis9I noticed that too.
Also in other recent micro annoyance news; are ads now playing out in full on youtube and elsewhere before the option to 'skip' is offered?
or is that just me?
@Deixis9 @Mer__edith 🤷♂️
(I don’t see ads on the occasions I’m forced on YouTube.) ;)
RichBartlett 
@aral @Mer__edith to me its a sign of enshittification, see this classic example from Microsoft if you dare to use the web interface via a browser
@RichBartlett @Mer__edith There was a time Microsoft wasn’t shit?
@aral @Mer__edith I wasn't there at the beginning so I can't say, I started with Windows 3.11 and NT 4.
Brad Macpherson@RichBartlett @aral @Mer__edith Ethics has never been a foundational part of Microsoft - Altair BASIC was written partly using stolen computer time, and only after having been sold as vapourware (they claimed to have it under active development when that didn't start until after the deal was made).
Pair of chancers who made it big - Del Boy and Rodders with no charm and even fewer scruples.
Daniël Franke 
@aral @RichBartlett @Mer__edith There was a short time where they looked like they were at least trying to be less shit. Around Win2k through windows 7. Sure vista had issues but at least those issues came from them trying to fix stuff.
juristi
Msb
Ellie 🏴🏳️⚧️@aral @Mer__edith this kind of sus shit is certainly not helping against any of the FUD around signal.
@31113 @Mer__edith Thing is, I really don’t think it’s on purpose. It was, of course, in the Moxie days (when it was implemented) because, well, Moxie… but I like to think they’re either afraid to turn off an anti-feature they see as driving “engagement” (why that’s important for an app like Signal is beyond me) or they just don’t see it as a priority and haven’t gotten around to it yet. I sincerely hope it’s the latter and that the issue will get addressed. Especially in light of this latest news.
Lucas Cantor@aral @Mer__edith I opened a GitHub issue about this several months ago: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-iOS/issues/6175
I appreciate the response I received, explaining how one of the top issues users report is "issues with notifications", and in many of those reports it turns out the user had disabled notification permissions either accidentally or a long time ago and forgot.
...but it would be nice to have an in-app setting to disable this check if desired!