working from a train is always so fun
@rixx What is the name of the font you use?
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@rixx @kobold
That is a pleasingly compact yet readable font. Nice.
@nblr @kobold its support for nonstandard characters is not great tbh. I keep thinking about creating a similar font of my own but all fontmaking tools suck...
@rixx @nblr @kobold maybe thies project is an interessting entrypoint... https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts#font-patcher
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@smtw @nblr @kobold but that just adds the nerd-font characters and icons? That wouldn't look super fitting with this font, and designing a full font needs more than just patches and has some very arcane requirements iirc. My attempts with FontForge were not promising
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It is, and it is absolutely essential when using sway on your desktop.
#font
@rixx Could you stay on the train and we send you some #curl testcases now and then? Those are interesting network conditions… 💁🏻‍♂️

@icing I think they were doing some funky stuff where they restarted parts of their stack but tried to avoid full reconnects/downtime? We're now back ag no drops, no out-of-order, just regular train amounts of jitter

(but I'm here for four hours and bored, soooo)

@rixx WiFi on ICE? 😄
@traumtheater @rixx they legit froze that shit
@rixx tell me you're German without telling me you're German
@rixx Well, that's just physics.
@hiker the ten seconds out of order ping while standing still near a train station is just physics? Germany has a really fancy special physics engine, then.
@rixx Wait a minute, you didn't say the train had come to a stop. And by the way—I'm writing from Switzerland.

@hiker I'm pretty sure a 10s ping is never "physics", so long as you're staying on earth.

My reference to Germany was on account of the location of my train. If train WiFi on Swiss trains is usually this bad, then I'm really sorry to hear that.

@rixx Wi-Fi on the train has to come from somewhere—Wi-Fi cables haven't been invented yet. So the data has to come through the mobile network, and that's where geography and topology play a key role.
@hiker right, so due to the rough terrain, the ping was constrained by "physics" to this level of delay and jitter? And you're confident of this despite not knowing anything about the terrain/speed/area? Aight, chief

@rixx

It appears there are some tunnels.

@rixx I condone your choice of font.
@rixx those are rookie numbers. I regularly have to connect to devices on tenuous LTE connections in concrete basements where round trip times can be anything up 30 seconds. For the really bad ones we have a back channel that allows firing specified commands at them via SMS.
@rixx ur terminal is like a medieval scroll
@rixx That choice of font is amazing! ^^
@rixx ​​ bold choice of font
@rixx what font is that? 👀
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@rixx Do ICMP packets make knocking noises when crossing network segments boundaries? 
@agturcz if they don't, they are clearly trying to sneak in
@rixx the average ping to the moon is better than that 
@rixx an appropriate ping to scribe onto ancient scrolls :D
@rixx holy crap I never thought I'd find anyone else who uses this font in the wild
@rixx true story: we regard German train rides and using wifi there as a good test bed for our networking code's ability to work in slow and malfunctioning networks. For example two travelling contributors messaged and established p2p realtime networking between two high speed running ICE trains, to test robustness and reconnection fitness :)
@delta @rixx maybe ICEs aren’t that great for this given that their wifi works much more reliably than regional trains on average? 😅
@follpvosten @delta @rixx Which WIFI? 😅
@dwardoric @delta @rixx some of them do have it. :)
@dwardoric @delta @rixx WIFIonICE is just, in my experience, a lot more reliable than WiFi@DB and friends.
@follpvosten @delta @rixx Yes, also in my experience. Usually on phone hotspot in these places.
@follpvosten @dwardoric @delta @rixx ICE has a higher capacity, but it depends on the number of passengers. It will also crash on busier stations as everyone and their granddad will join the network automatically.
@delta @daniel_bohrer @rixx This is hilarious 😂

@maxheadroom @delta @daniel_bohrer @rixx

I mean for me it is somewhat crazy that you move with 300 km / h and can still send packages around the globe. Just to soften the #DB bashing that could ensue from this thread.

How hard is this from an engineering point of view? I guess wifi on airplanes works too, but there I guess satellite connection is more reliable. Okay I really know very little about this. Another rabbit hole opening up.

@TheSecondVariation @maxheadroom @delta @rixx DB doesn't own the mobile phone networks, so I guess there's no need to bash them in this thread. :) This is a problem with different infrastructure companies.
@daniel_bohrer @TheSecondVariation @maxheadroom @delta as in this case, the problem was with the local infra and not with the mobile network, I feel like some amount of criticism would be warranted
@rixx @daniel_bohrer @TheSecondVariation @maxheadroom @delta Their onboard wifi infra is 💩
Bad mobile network coverage is a compounding problem. It’s not like both things aren‘t solvable - outside of Germany these are mostly solved problems. There are even rumors that you can operate a public wifi without a captive portal breaking stuff. Whoa! 🤯

@nblr @rixx @daniel_bohrer @maxheadroom @delta I can only speak for France, Spain and Morocco. I went through these countries recently with the train and the network was on par (France) or pretty much non existent as in Spain and Morocco.

Obviously its more or less my anecdotal experience level, but maybe you can back up your claims with facts. This is not meant offensively, just curious.

@TheSecondVariation @maxheadroom @delta @daniel_bohrer @rixx 300 km/h is just too fast for 4G let alone 5G. That's why Deutsche Bahn cooperated with carriers to install special infrastructure (mostly repeaters and specialized antennas): https://newsroom.vodafone.de/vodafone-sorgt-fuer-besseren-mobilfunkempfang-in-den-ice-zuegen
Vodafone sorgt für besseren Mobilfunkempfang in den ICE-Zügen

@benedikt_lauenburg @TheSecondVariation @maxheadroom @delta @daniel_bohrer The amount of time spent at 300km/h on a German ICE inside Germany is *very* limited.

Notably the screenshot above was taken at somewhere between 0 and 10 km/h in Berlin. So, uh. I do not feel like I'm unfairly bashing anybody.

@delta @rixx This is funnier than it should be.

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@rixx

For a real challenge perform the tests in IC/ICE trains, but only using the cell network instead of Wifi. 🤓

@vampirdaddy @delta @rixx It's specifically designed that way that the "Ruhebereich" has bad coverage so there won't be any phone calls.

In the days of wifi calls this is a dated concept.

@rixx Try working from trains in the Atlantic coast in the northwest of Spain ("Atlantic axis") using mobile networks: it's mission impossible because the train runs on a trench or inside tunnels. No internet during ~1:30h, only despair. ​
@rixx British train WiFi is exactly the same

@rixx Back in the day when 2 Mb/s serial links between routers were still a thing, I could ping the router in the path to the world still in my city with RTT around 2 minutes. You could leave it on for a day and not a single packet was dropped, but RTT of each and every one of them was around 2 minutes.

Pinging anything beyond that router returned usual results.