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One reason that it’s hard to take anti-ai discourse seriously here is the underlying assumption that everybody using ai is somehow all-in and uncritical about the technology. Yet the llm for coding discourse on X looks like this… everybody was dunking on Claude code too, for example, except the takes were usually informed and funny.

I can actually have productive discussions there, about labor, about ethics, about technical quality, about novel ideas, about concrete uses, and even have fun and good laughs (do I like that the main timeline is a hellhole? Of course not). There’s a reason most people don’t switch over to bluesky or mastodon, if even mentioning that you use llms just gets you abuse in the comments, or the assumption that you aren’t thinking about the consequences of your actions.

#llms #genai #llm #vibecoding

Show threadprom™️7h ago
@mnl i do not understand why you expect a sane conversation, when there is so much threat in the air. this is precisely why we should not have a hype, and as long as there is one i would not expect a sane conversation, because certain proponents make insane threats.
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@mnl if you hold a gun to people's head, you don't expect them to be calm. certain people are holding a gun at people's jobs, rather than allowing a regulation discussion. this is why I do not expect my friends to be sane, when arguing against AI. a minimum social equity must come before sense-making, because the conversation could not be fair otherwise.
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Show threadprom™️7h ago
@mnl i think the thing that you are missing, is people's *fear*. certain AI proponents are using marketing to maximize it. the conventional term for this behavior is "terrorism".
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@promovicz the hype is the one sided conversation happening here, the assumption that everybody using ai is brainrot capitalist out to get you. That’s fear mongering and cutting out people that use the tech because it is genuinely useful. I have been talking about the labor implications since December 2022. I have repeatedly posted about resources about ai anxiety. I focus on how llms can be used to improve quality and human communication when used in a professional context. I use it daily to support my community. I research ways of making local models do real work.

You are doing the exact thing I am talking about, that there are only maximalist proponents and the only way to counter it is to aggressively bully every body wanting to talk about its uses.

If the point is to reduce ai harm, that’s not an effective strategy.

Show threadprom™️7h ago
@mnl But, it is not sane to expect people to be this rational under direct and outspoken threat. I don't think that you are subject to brainrot or anything! I just dislike, that you are going in so early and playing this game while it's dictated by quasi-fascists. And people who don't know you don't have the opportunity to distinguish your argument from other people's argument, so why do you expect them to treat you differently?
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@promovicz it is because the game is dictated (for now) by more or less over fascists, certainly capitalists, that I am so invested. Because I know (not just believe) that the technology is useful and I don’t want to leave it in their hands.
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@mnl Those who give in to fascist trends, are the most relevant and numerous supporters of fascism. If Hitler builds an Autobahn, in the moment it's never a good Autobahn, even if it makes perfect sense to build one.

You also argue "usage" more than "independent control". Knowing your perspective, this makes sense to me - but not necessarily others.

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@promovicz I am not the one accusing others of brainrot and shutting down discussions though.

And I’ve always been most vocal about the fact that llms allow us to _take independent control_ over our computation devices. That’s why I am such a “proponent”. It’s not a pipe dream, it’s why so many people are so indiscriminately generating slop or falling into delusions, because there is something real there.

And I want to help channel that in ways that give power to the individual/the community, not the big players. It’s all the more unnerving to be told that I don’t care about normal@people or I am privileged being in tech wanting to play with fancy toys, when I’m basically eliminating or seriously reducing the reliance on me when providing _real non tech people in real life_ the means to do things with their computer without being beholden to expensive Saas walled gardens harvesting their data and removing their agency.