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mhoyeA picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.
On a more serious note, I didn't realize that Hamilton coined the term "software engineer".
Mark T. Tomczak@mhoye Oh, that Hamilton! Sorry, I had musicals on the brain.
Speaking of... She deserves a musical.
Emma needs ☕️ and paying work
Ludwig Vielfrass
Sara Joy 
@mhoye didn't know that either.
Honestly man the more I learn about women in computing in history, the madder I am about the state of tech today.
Third spruce tree on the leftYeah. Grace Hopper, the women of Bletchley Park, the "hidden figures" of NASA like Katherine Johnson who did the math to put Glenn in orbit and Dorothy Vaughn who ran the computers (the movie is ok, but total white savior bullshit).
I want to see more women in charge of tech. I want more badass tech-sisters running things.
@tezoatlipoca @mhoye I'd be happy if they weren't even badass, but you know, ran this stuff like they're not trying to emulate comic book bad guys, like the current oligarchical tech leaders seem to be.
@tezoatlipoca @mhoye saying that Grace Hopper was indeed badass and had a sharp wit: https://front-end.social/@sarajw/113165853835788408
Sara Joy :happy_pepper: (@[email protected])
Oh! I've just watched the first 5 mins, definitely going to watch it all. She's legit already funny. https://mastodon.social/@kottke/113165803319008468
Martin Wüthrich 
@hosebei @tezoatlipoca @sarajw "I've heard of one woman who did a bad thing, therefore structural and historical sexism don't exist."
@mhoye No indeed - but I think the point was we don't simply need "techsis" to take the place of "techbro" - but having a lot more women around in general in the industry and these companies would be... better.
Maybe I misunderstood 🤷
@sarajw it does not matter which gender is at the top of those companies, those people are all bad minded, regardless of the gender.
so please enlight me why gender does change the mind of a filthy money driven mule?
so please enlight me why gender does change the mind of a filthy money driven mule?
@sarajw oh, and having diversity is always a good thing. it's benefical for all actors.
but just say, "replace the apple chef with a woman, and we will live in peace" is not what brings us forward.
but just say, "replace the apple chef with a woman, and we will live in peace" is not what brings us forward.
@sarajw and the childish blocking from the OP show, what a money mule it is....
Charles ☭ 
is a Green@celesteh ich habe nie gesagt, was du behauptest, ich hätte das gesagt oder getan.
Aber Danke für Deine Worte, es zeigt mir die DIskursfähigkeit dieser Plattform zu gewissen Themen.
Die Unterstellung, dass ich gegen etwas oder jemanden kämpfe, empfinde ich als nicht korrekt..
Meine Aussage war, dass es keine Rolle spielt, welches geschlecht ein CEO hat. Ein sozialer Mensch soll die Person sein sein, Geschlecht egal. Warum soll ein bestimmtes Geschlecht besser sein, Firmen zu führen?
Und danke dass Du nicht gleich blockst, finde es dem Diskurs nicht zuträglich, was rauszuhauen, und dann gleich zu blocken.
@hosebei
Je pense que le problème de genre parité dans les grands entreprises est aussi un vrai problème. La résolution des discriminations aura probablement des retombées positives.
C'est pas un endossement de la capitalisme de surveillance.
@celesteh es hilft wenn Du Deine Toots der Sprache anpasst, in der Du sie verfasst.
Das habe ich ja auch geschrieben, dass ich der Meinung bin, dass Diversität hilft, und hier schliesse ich dann nicht nur die Geschlechterfrage ein.
Und es tut mir leid, ich habe es vorhin falsch verstanden. Doch es gab jemanden, der einfach mehr "badass" Frauen an Firmenspitzen wünscht. Und das habe ich eben kritisiert. Egal welches Geschlecht, und erst recht keine Badasses. Es braucht soziale Menschen. Das war mein Input, blindes "Diese Personengruppe ist per se besser als diese Personengruppe" ist falsch.
Das habe ich ja auch geschrieben, dass ich der Meinung bin, dass Diversität hilft, und hier schliesse ich dann nicht nur die Geschlechterfrage ein.
Und es tut mir leid, ich habe es vorhin falsch verstanden. Doch es gab jemanden, der einfach mehr "badass" Frauen an Firmenspitzen wünscht. Und das habe ich eben kritisiert. Egal welches Geschlecht, und erst recht keine Badasses. Es braucht soziale Menschen. Das war mein Input, blindes "Diese Personengruppe ist per se besser als diese Personengruppe" ist falsch.
Erdsternyou know, like many others that are being discriminated against, I’m extremely tired of educating the privileged. If you’re not simply sealioning (and I’m not sure about that), you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, so please go ahead and educate yourself about male, white privilege.
nellie-mScott Barolo (@[email protected])
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@mhoye uhoh, u just blocked me? its ok when you are getting corrected. LOL
DavidM_yegThat’s not surprising, you’re being an ass. 🤷♂️
@DavidM_yeg what a warm welcome. thank you, I wish you all the best.
you can be as toxic as you want, my life is happy, sorry.
you can be as toxic as you want, my life is happy, sorry.
James 🌈💜@sarajw @mhoye I'm old enough to remember when I got into this field when there were more women in it. Back then, it was a way to make a decent living, but not a path to riches.
That changed with the internet boom and I ran into fewer women developers and sysadmins. Once it got out of its "clerical" status and into a path to riches, the demographics shifted. My first dev job iin 1990 was 40% women devs to 60%.
I've worked in places since then with NO women devs. Those all sucked, BTW.
keithzg@lerxst @sarajw @mhoye "We need more than that" okay, open a ticket in our bugtracker with a detailed description condensing what you would have rambled around during the meeting!
I say this but from a point of privilege on the other side of the extreme: my office doesn't use Slack *and* hasn't had a software development meeting in over 5 years now, and frankly that is probably too *few* meetings, but from what I hear from folks at more normal software dev workplaces I'll take this extreme over the somehow normal other extreme of, like, multiple meetings a *day* somehow.
I say this but from a point of privilege on the other side of the extreme: my office doesn't use Slack *and* hasn't had a software development meeting in over 5 years now, and frankly that is probably too *few* meetings, but from what I hear from folks at more normal software dev workplaces I'll take this extreme over the somehow normal other extreme of, like, multiple meetings a *day* somehow.
Space Hobo@spacehobo is it just going to make me more mad or give me something constructive to do about it?
Otherwise nowadays I can only cope with fiction, novels, I need the escapism...
@spacehobo @lerxst @mhoye thank you either way, I'd like to know but it might make me feel very frustrated about what could have been..
+>e@sarajw @lerxst @mhoye here's a decent article on the subject (despite being on the guardian) https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2017/aug/10/how-the-tech-industry-wrote-women-out-of-history
@eons yeeep:
"But by the 1970s, there was a change in mindset and women were no longer welcome in the workplace: the government and industry had grown wise to just how powerful computers were and wanted to integrate their use at a management level. “But they weren’t going to put women workers – seen as low level drones – in charge of computers,” explains Hicks. Women were systematically phased out and replaced by men who were paid more and had better job titles."
Also:
If women had continued to be a major force in computing, instead of being sidelined, the way the tech industry looks today would have been very different, she argues. “If women had been a more important part of the high tech industry all along, would so many platforms and apps have the same problems with rampant sexism and misogyny both in their workplaces and their products? Most likely not.”
The Janx Devil
Howard Chu @ Symas@janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye yep. Kay McNulty was one of them, from just a bit up the road from my house. https://www.womensmuseumofireland.ie/exhibits/kay-mcnulty
@janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye they have a monument dedicated to her at her birthplace now. I like to visit it every year...
@janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye I don't recall any of these women being mentioned in my courses at UMich. But I knew Grace Hopper coined "computer bug" (but it was an actual bug, a moth, that fried itself on a circuit). Probably just picked up in outside reading. I learned about Kay from reading about ENIAC, because the EECS department had a slice of it (1/10th) on display. I learned about Margaret because... a colleague of mine at the UM Computing Center looked like her. https://websites.umich.edu/~umvm/MIDAC/midac_eniac.html
ENIAC Programmers Project
In 1946 six brilliant young women programmed ENIAC, the first digital computer, a secret WWII US Army project. Yet when the ENIAC was unveiled to the public, the women were never introduced and remained invisible to history. Kathy Kleiman produced the documentary The Computers to tell their story.
craignicol@craignicol @mhoye absolutely!
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sport of sacred spherical cowsYeah, and ever since then whole generations of programming boys have been cosplaying as her, despite most of them having not anywhere near half the responsibility.
@mhoye Yup, she's (not as) widely recognized (as I thought, apparently) as the founder of software engineering.
DNA schedule@mhoye I read that she also coined the term "test harness"
Amgine
Speed demon 🇪🇺 🇳🇴🇺🇦🇵🇸@mhoye Years after Apollo 11 I realized I'd seen the broadcast of the moon landing as it happened. I was in school, in England. Being Norwegian I did not understand what was happening as they wheeled a huge wooden box with a TV-screen out and gathered all the children around. I did get the word "moon", but I could make no sense of the images on the screen.
Ross of Ottawa@mhoye not a single reference to Outlook in the entire stack of documents.
Shawn Hooper (he/him) 🇨🇦@shawnhooper @mhoye workplace safety hazard
jd 🔆@ottaross @shawnhooper @mhoye
I notice the handy plug on the wall in case they need to, you know, unplug it/wait 30 seconds/ plug it back in.
I notice the handy plug on the wall in case they need to, you know, unplug it/wait 30 seconds/ plug it back in.
@shawnhooper @ottaross ... and we've been shipping with papercuts ever since.
Benjamin Geer@mhoye On the other hand, Michael Collins did have to turn something off and on again to fix a problem
Brett R@mhoye I use the first pic to teach the difference between the purpose of a caption and alt text, with a guerilla casual mention of how much we owe Hamilton and similar minimized women.
MrAlanCooperIn 2017 Margaret Hamilton was inducted into the Computer History Museum's Hall of Fellows. On that occasion I was privileged to accompany her on a private, docent-guided tour of the Museum's public display.
She looked about the same as she does in these pictures from the 1960s, albeit a little grayer; a bright, diminutive grandma.
But she was very humble and human. At one point we rounded a corner into the Apollo section. Prominently in the front of the exhibit was a reproduction of your left-hand photo. Upon seeing it, Margaret stopped and exclaimed, "Oh my gosh! Is that me?"