AI6YR BenLet's punch this puppy into a website. One nuclear armed madman plus large city... Not including fallout. How many millions dead?
Hänzi Pōtter@ai6yr The extended impact zone, (30 to 150 km from the epicentre), could potentially encompass major metropolitan areas including portions of #jerusalem and #telaviv , depending on wind direction during the initial 48-hour critical period. Wind patterns during this crucial timeframe would determine whether these population centres, home to over 1.5 million people, would require immediate mass evacuation or extended shelter-in-place orders lasting weeks or months https://www.habtoorresearch.com/programmes/what-if-iran-attacked-the-dimona-reactor/
What If: Iran Attacked the Dimona Reactor? - Al Habtoor Research Centre
A single strike on the Dimona reactor would not merely be a military escalation—it could trigger a geopolitical cascade from the Negev to the Nile Delta and the Saudi border. With widespread radioactive fallout, mass displacement, and the collapse of agriculture and tourism, this scenario transcends conventional deterrence and redefines the entire regional security paradigm.
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@Smoljaguar @ai6yr ngl I live near multiple military bases, and have casually wondered how I’d fare…trying to decide if I should look lol
@tiamat271 @ai6yr being close is actually a good thing because you'll get euthanised in the initial strike instead of having to endure 3rd degree burns and radiation poisoning, + living through an apocalypse!
@Smoljaguar @tiamat271 <insert apocryphal kruschev quote here>
Anarchist Trans Ace Piratethe safest place to be is at the epicenter. you'll never see it coming and will be instantaneous.
@coolcalmcollected @Smoljaguar @ai6yr that does sound like a much better way to go when you put it that way…
I have zero interest in trying to survive a post nuclear environment. there are worse things than death
@Smoljaguar @ai6yr good point!
@stevewfolds@ai6yr
That’s the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Imagine a fusion bomb.
That’s the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Imagine a fusion bomb.
jonathankoren™@ai6yr in complete honesty, it’s impossible to take anything he says seriously because it’s so erratic, bombastic (ha!), and generally just bullshit. And yet, we must take him seriously because he can do real damage.
FreddyB Aviation Photography@ai6yr So the only flaw is that they would most likely use a Minuteman III which would have a nominal yield of 300KT
Jim Hubbell
D@ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn
Fun little story from back in the day.
We would have air raid drills in junior high in the 60s. One fine day, our teacher said don't bother climbing under the chairs. Between March AFB and Norton on the other side of Box Springs mountain, there was no way any of us would survive. While probably true, that was less comforting than he intended.
Fun little story from back in the day.
We would have air raid drills in junior high in the 60s. One fine day, our teacher said don't bother climbing under the chairs. Between March AFB and Norton on the other side of Box Springs mountain, there was no way any of us would survive. While probably true, that was less comforting than he intended.
f*cking b*tch club@Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn I have similar memories. I learned that our local Air Force base was also part of the Strategic Air Command system, and that we were one of the top ten initial targets. I used to lie awake at night wondering if someone was pushing the red button thousands of miles away—how long would it take a nuke to reach us?
MsMerope@Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn
So yeah, I went to an elementary school adjacent to the Alameda, Naval Air Station, and this was during the Vietnam war, and we too, had to do the duck and cover under our desks, unfortunately, as has been the case since my time began…
Even at the age of seven, I was a highly logical thinker and had the audacity to inform the teacher that hiding under our desks was a waste of time because we were gonna get blown up anyway
Yeah, that was a phone call to my parents …
Julescelt@julescelt01 @MsMerope @Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan The ducked under the desk made for easier charred carcass identification
W6KME
Paul_IPv6@MsMerope @Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn
LOL.
i had a similar discussion about how a wooden desk wasn't going help either a nuclear bomb or a tornado. :)
my mom's ambition, never realized, was to be able to walk into a school office where my sister and i attended and not be instantly recognized by the entire office staff. :)
@paul_ipv6 @Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn
y'all want some ptsd?
Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle
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hattifattener@paul_ipv6 @MsMerope @Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn I didn't understand this at the time, but the bigger a bomb is, the larger is the penumbral area where the blast/radiation doesn't kill you but the flying debris does. In the 1950s bombs were getting very big. Later, as missile guidance got more precise, they switched to smaller but more numerous bombs. In a full exchange survival may be pointless. But if you do want to survive for a while, even a thin barrier can really increase your odds.
@hattifattener @paul_ipv6 @MsMerope @ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn
I can understand that as an adult but back in the 60s, I would never have understood such nuances.
I can understand that as an adult but back in the 60s, I would never have understood such nuances.
@hattifattener @paul_ipv6 @MsMerope @Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan
Spot on. As missiles became more accurate, the emphasis on city busters like the W-53 (Largest even in service int he US) which was a whopping 9MT or 600x the Hiroshima blast delivered by a Titan II which had a CEP of up to 1.5km, where as a modern Trident D5's CEP is 90m or so its W88 warhead is up to 475kt
@hattifattener @paul_ipv6 @MsMerope @Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan
Yep, assuming you survive the initial blast wave, radiation exposure has three primary things you can mitigate
1) Time, less time exposed is a no brainer
2) Distance, get far away from the source. Easier said than done in a full exchange
3) Shielding: The more the better but even an improvised shelter made up of a trench that you reinforce and cover with dirt will provide a degree of shielding
Weather_Rock_Wx@MsMerope @Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn
We had a bomb shelter built into the hillside opposite my elementary school. It was also used for community events - I remember getting the polio vaccine on a sugar cube there. Perhaps one of my earliest memories.
When I was a bit older-old enough to swear- the air raid siren went off in the middle of the night. This also was during the Cold War. I remember thinking “Oh no, those bastards, they wouldn’t would they?”
I really don’t (didn’t?) want to go back to those feelings of insecurity.
@jacquiharper
GinevraCat@Dougfir @ai6yr @driusan @cvvhrn 😂
I can't remember what the outside circumstances were - a big storm, I think- but I remember a kid in class asking me once if we were going to die.
I answered "Yes, eventually" without even thinking about it, and only after the horrified silence spread through the room did it occur to me that that wasn't the answer they wanted.
Chuck@ChuckMcManis
I learned quickly. This is my goto phrase now.
GLCAgreed.
My child came running in tears during his fifth birthday party and asked if he was going to die (his little friend trundling behind was not reassuring: "Yes yes yes, everybody dies"). I told him "Yes—but I'll die first" and he went right back to playing cheerfully, existential angst fully at rest.
Anyway, it's nice to be useful like that.
@glc Ooh, you're a cosmology person. That was my masters topic a very, very long time ago. (Like, before the cosmic microwave background mapping and data was common)
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