Normally I'd be more excited about a moon mission, but I'd vastly prefer if any other nation was doing it. Can't really care about it when the US is bombing civilian bridges in Iran and then bombing the first responders (and as of today, apparently announcing genocide. Not their first time, I guess).
@Gargron TBH, most Americans are feeling the same. Even the people who I know love this stuff don’t really seem too enthused about it here in the US.
@krautnapped @Gargron It is a wild dichotomy. Mankind achieiving both the most impressive and despicable things at exactly the same time. Here comes the singularity.

@Gargron your choices for Space on this level is either US , China, Russia or India none of which are being very nice right now …

Oh or a Billionaire and we know how lovely they are

RE: https://mastodon.social/@markmccaughrean/116340135453431627

@64bithero @Gargron just a reminder the US isn't doing this alone.

@ikuturso @64bithero @Gargron this is a human endeavor, not an American one. 💖
@Recently_Coco @ikuturso @64bithero @Gargron doesn't look like it when you see all the USA flags on every sleeve, every EU-made rocket part and just plastered all over it like kitsch

@saxnot @ikuturso @64bithero @Gargron yeah 😞

Sad to see the efforts of so many people squashed and hidden.

@Recently_Coco @ikuturso @64bithero @Gargron international collaborations are sadly breaking down
i think the successor to the ISS is supposed to be from a private company or something? How sad!
@64bithero @Gargron How about none? There's no reason to. Anything can be done by automated probe.

@Hammerwell @Gargron humans in space has done very little to move the needle forward this is true.

I’d love another voyager esque project or even a rover.

@64bithero @Gargron Maybe when (if) good AI or a copy of an original is achieved we can do human spaceflight again. We are Bob. (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32109569-we-are-legion-we-are-bob)
We Are Legion (We Are Bob) (Bobiverse, #1)

Alternate Cover Edition can be found here. Bob Johans…

Goodreads
@Hammerwell @64bithero @Gargron
Oh no. I have greate hopes for when we can send all the billionaires to Mars 😜
@Gargron I'm feeling exactly the same way 😐

@Gargron It feels the same way from here in the US.

But: It was really wonderful to see my kids excited to watch the launch, and to have something to be proud of in our country that is not attacks on other countries and raids on our neighbors.

@Gargron I’m an American and I feel the same.

This should be something to be proud of, but... to be honest... I'm just sad and angry right now.

@Gargron every day I'm glad being on this social network compared to anywhere else. Thank you!
@Gargron The "funny" thing is that this moon mission is somewhat of a reboot of the original one: While Armstrong stepped on the moon there was a bloody and unjust conflict running in Vietnam...

@Gargron

surprised anybody cares about the pitiful distraction of taking a spin around the moon -- something we already did in 1968

we already know some pix of earth from the moon are not 'science" nor do they bring peace on earth

& now the space industry is mostly that, an industry to expand the pockets and egos of billionaires who traffic women & will stop at nothing to make sure the majority of people are never free

bah humbug i say!!!

@Gargron I could not care less about Artemis II right now, and I don't care what that makes me.

@Gargron

yup, the #USA fucking sucks

that dampers enthusiasm for #Artemis #Artemis2 #ArtemisII

i say:

be happy for #JeremyHansen, first Canadian in deep #space

and his mission patch was designed by #Anishaabe artist #HenryGuimond, referencing the Teachings of the Seven Grandfathers

"Hansen asked Guimond to design a personal patch for his flight suit after participating in a vision quest at Turtle Lodge Centre of Excellence"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-indigenous-artist-artemis-ii-patch-9.7148013

#Canada #Indigenous

@Gargron

' #NASA astronaut #VictorGlover, recently named as the pilot of the #ArtemisII #Artemis2 #Artemis mission around the Moon, listens to #GilScottHeron's poem "Whitey on the Moon" twice a week on the way to work'

https://web.archive.org/web/20260330105128/https://www.axios.com/2023/04/18/nasa-astronaut-victor-glover-whitey-on-the-moon

A rat done bit my sister Nell
(with Whitey on the Moon)
Her face and arms began to swell
(and Whitey's on the Moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill
(but Whitey's on the Moon)
Ten years from now I'll be paying still
(while Whitey's on the Moon)

#BlackMastodon

@benroyce @Gargron So Axios took this article down at some point?

@not2b @Gargron

the axios article is paywalled so i linked to an archive.org screenshot of it. the link isn't working? you can see part of the article if you strip off the archive.org part from the front of the url and thus get the original axios link

edit: the archive.org link works for me

@benroyce @Gargron In 1969 and again in 2026, Science News editors also made the connections between accomplishments in space and failures on Earth:

"It is impossible to minimize the astronauts’ accomplishment. But the verdict of #history may well be that, while the world erupted, we ignored the real challenge and chased a rocket trail to the #moon."

#war #Artemis #poverty
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ed-note-april-2026

Science and armed conflict

Editor in chief Nancy Shute discusses how science and armed conflict have been intertwined throughout history, from the Greeks in 400 B.C. to the use of tear gas in the protests across the United States as recently as a few months ago.

Science News
@Bongolian @benroyce @Gargron This claimed association always chaffs me. Science is always happening. People are actively researching and making great discoveries every day. It looks like there is more during militarized times but that's because the stupid apes that only lust for violence are fine throwing piles of money at murder but not so much when it comes to equity and betterment of life for all. In addition to this, it gets hyped more due to national pride.
We don't need violence.

@benroyce @Gargron This is awesome, I did not know that about Glover. I posted a Youtube earlier of Gil Scott Heron performing the poem, and how it's still apt.

I haven't looked—has the orange madman said anything about the composition of this crew? I can't imagine he lavish any praise without making some sort of snide remark.

@ColesStreetPothole @Gargron

Of course

Trump found out there was a Canadian on board Artemis so he starts babbling about Wayne Gretsky

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2026/apr/07/trump-artemis-ii-crew-call-nasa-cuts

Trump tells Artemis II crew he saved Nasa despite trying to slash agency’s budget

Astronauts had a call with the US president from space after setting record for the farthest-traveled humans from Earth

The Guardian

@Gargron As an American I also feel the same.

For one of my posts I did draft and delete a comment saying something similar, but didn't want to feel like a downer. I respect the honesty.

The other side of it is that the current US budget means NASA is killing science missions to ensure putting humans back on the moon is it's #1 priority. In 2026 I don't believe the scientific value is there to choose the least economic way to study the moon.

@Gargron missed opportunity to persuade a certain individual that space travel is very bigly great and see how far a human can actually go
@sarble Give a septuagenarian a chance to be the first man on the Sun?

@Gargron

It's not an honest U.S. American Moon mission, without a cruel war going on that was initiated by the USA.

Vietnam... Iran, what's a few geopolitical details among friends?

@datenwolf @Gargron

Been there, done that:

"Ah, you may leave here, for four days in space,
But when your return, it's the same old place…"

Barry McGuire | "Eve of Destruction" (1965)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I

Barry McGuire - Eve Of Destruction

YouTube

@Gargron

tell the truth, you're sad about the strikes in Novorossiysk

@buzz Why would I be sad about that?
@Gargron
cause you're a russian asset
@buzz And this is because..?
@Gargron, I follow @buzz, and is really funny. He is sarcastic, I guess.
@Madmonkey @buzz If it's a joke, it doesn't come across that way.

@Gargron @Madmonkey @buzz

it's not funny nor a joke, unless someone considers casual bigotry "a funny joke"

@Madmonkey
It's especially not funny at all. It is, in fact, utterly tasteless.
@Gargron @buzz

@Gargron You might be surprised to learn how many parts of the Artemis missions are actually from Europe via ESA and other parts of the world. The US doesn't like to share that, but it's true :)

Example: https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/Orion/European_Service_Module

European Service Module

The European Service Module is ESA’s contribution to NASA’s Orion spacecraft that will send astronauts to the Moon and beyond. It provides electricity, water, oxygen and nitrogen as well as keeping the spacecraft at the right temperature and on course.

@jwildeboer @Gargron And not only that, European media happily ignore this fact, too.
@jwildeboer @Gargron As an US-ian, I would be overjoyed to highlight our cooperation with other countries in space. I would like to note our astronauts specifically (one being Canadian) have focused on our shared global humanity in everything they've said. Wish I could say the same for the rest of the country.
@Gargron Same...and I'm an American.
@Gargron It's not the astronauts or the NASA team putting this all together bombing Iran though. ☝️

You can point out that the US regime sucks and hope they get their ass handed to them, and yet still be excited about this mission.

There is a trend of sweeping generalization, in lots of other areas as well, killing all nuance. I watch this with worry.
@Gargron
I wish I had the energy to muster more enthusiasm for this historic mission. But as the world is burning, my mind and priorities are elsewhere.
@Gargron I just think of it as nasa doing it and not US. Plus it wasn't nasa alone, it was nasa + esa + other countries. They just launched from US
@lefteristrip23 @Gargron plus, you know, the whole "there's a Canadian astronaut aboard" aspect, too…

@Gargron I put it like this: "Every dollar spent for a space mission is a dollar not spent for war"

It helps me at least

@Gargron i would like to abolish national states and travel as humanity to the moon 🙄
But at this point i would root for china to make it to the moon before the US