Communism will win
@burnoutqueen and then Anarchism will replace it 😘

@Geri

If anarchism can succeed as a political program then be my guest.

@Geri I'm not anti anarchist, I'm just pessimistic that anarchism can succeed.
@Geri also, anarchism and communism in general are not mutually exclusive. Anarcho communists exist.
@burnoutqueen I can't see how this can be xx
Anarchist communism - an introduction

A short introduction to anarchist-communism.

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@burnoutqueen @Geri anarchism and communism as in an economic system are used pretty interchangeably

@mook @burnoutqueen

I would respectfully suggest they are entirely different things xx

@Geri @burnoutqueen

they both simplify multiple different things, so communism usually means the ideology of state-socialism, marxism and it's variants, whereas anarchism means the ideology of stateless-socialism

but the end goal of a world without money or government or class divisions, you could call that either anarchism or communism or anarchist-communism

@mook @burnoutqueen

Communism is top-down state control
Anarchism isn't

@Geri @burnoutqueen right, in the general use of the term, but you could have decentralized communism, communism just means collective ownership

@mook @burnoutqueen

decentralized communism = anarchism
flip flops = beach sandals

#hairsplitting xxxx

@Geri @burnoutqueen

lol

could you please inform
@burnoutqueen that I was banned from todon and so she can't see my posts

@mook @burnoutqueen Oh no ! What happened

(Jackie, Mook was banned from todon so you may not see their reply)

@Geri @burnoutqueen

i reported and called out a post that seemed to be a clear case of harassing a trans woman and abusing the fediblock tag and instead they banned me, this is one of the posts they cited as 'spreading hatred against trans-men'
https://todon.eu/@big_louse/116349203518455747
Job Destroyer (@[email protected])

"TIRF" is a trans-misogynistic <s>dogwhistle</s> air horn , for those that don't know. It's sad seeing young trans men fall for MRA ideology because they're alienated and resentful, but there's no excuse for going out of your way to harass and ostracize trans women. and it is the responsibility of men to call this shit out and not let little dudes get sucked into reactionary pipeline.

Todon.eu
@mook @burnoutqueen Oh dear, I am sorry to read this. Clearly a case of getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.

@Geri @[email protected]

Respectfully, you need to learn what communism actually is, because what you think it is probably isn't correct

@Geri most people, in fact, do not understand what communism is. Even people who call themselves that

@burnoutqueen @Geri You have to get beyond the Dictatorship of the Proletariat to achieve Marx’s communism. Something which has never been achieved.

note: I am not a Marxist nor a communist

@burnoutqueen OK I can take your polite words and gentle advice. I have followed you for some time and know you well. I shall investigate xxx

@Geri

Communism is a stateless classless moneyless society where the means of production are collectively owned and necessities are discommodified,

Anarchism is the rejection of all authority here defined as the social construct of inherent right to be obeyed by designated inferiors.

Anarchism necessitates all the above qualifiers for communism, so in my view there is no anarchism that isn't also communist. But it also necessitates the dismantling of Human supremacy, state, patriarchy, ableism, sanism, white supremacy, cisheteromono-normativity, queermisia, sorry if I forgot anyone

And that gets into ideas from intersectional anarchism, veganarchism, anarcha-feminism, queer-anarchism, total liberation etc.

#Communism #Anarchism #AnarchoCommunism #HumanSupremacy #Patriarchy #Ableism #Sanism #WhiteSupremacy #Cisheteromononormativity #Queermisia #Veganarchism #AnarchaFeminism #QueerAnarchism #TotalLiberation

@ambiguous_yelp

Communism is a stateless classless moneyless society <<< I do not hold this to be true xx

@Geri @ambiguous_yelp That's literally how Marx defines it though. Pretty much every "Communist" country has admitted that they're not actually there but are instead in the transitional state socialism, dictatorship of the proletariat period.

@dragora @ambiguous_yelp

To be clear

I am an archivist. I collect and file things.

@Geri I think you are thinking of Marxism-Leninism this is the common ideology that gets painted with a broad brush as "communism". Just because north korea calls itself democratic and hitlers regime "socialist" doesn't make it so. Likewise, the USSR and CCP are not and have never been communist.

Differences in ideology between Marxism-Leninism and Anarcho-Communism include whether or not they use the state the achieve their aims, whether the proletariat are organized horizontally or by vanguard party rule

Broadly speaking anarchists choose revolutionary strategies and tactics that are aligned with their stated goals whereas marxist leninists tend to use more ends justify the means thinking

Edit: I'm aware that ML's misinterpret marx in multiple areas and they use his name to self-label a kind of ideological lineage that is tenuous at best

#MarxismLeninism #Anarchism #Communism #USSR #CCP #Socialism #AnarchoCommunism #NorthKorea #Democracy #Hitler