Paul Haddad 
ObjC is so hard to read!!! Meanwhile…
I'm stuck in Swift land for at least the next week, so expect a lot of moaning and groaning. There's for sure some parts that I like about it, if they had a version with maybe 1/4 of the features (i.e. needless complexity) I might actually say I'd enjoy using it.
Oh and bring back F*****' header files you crazy bastards!
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Jason Cox
Erik Ableson
Dominic Nieto@paul wait Ivory is Obj-C?
@paul Out of curiosity, how much if this is Swift's fault and how much the libraries?
Josh Hrach@paul I've stayed on Swift 5 and been happy. The day I'm forced onto Swift 6 I'm sure I'll complain.
Bruce
Walt Mankowski@paul I used a similar example in a talk on how Cobol works. I said something like "Oh, you think Cobol is wordy, huh? Then what do you say about this code in a modern language calling a modern API?" Although come to think of it, my example might have actually been in ObjC…
@waltman syntax is always clearer on the other side.
@paul Here's the example I used:
NSString *yourString = [whitespaceString stringByTrimmingCharactersInSet: [NSCharacterSet whitespaceCharacterSet]];
NSString *yourString = [whitespaceString stringByTrimmingCharactersInSet: [NSCharacterSet whitespaceAndNewlineCharacterSet]];
I originally did this talk for a Perl conference. As you can imagine, the equivalent code is a LOT shorter in Perl. 😀
@waltman why twice or was it just examples of trimming differently.
@paul Are `whitespaceCharacterSet` and `whitespaceAndNewlineCharacterSet` two different constants in the API? I'm sure I just copied that from the API docs but I don't remember. In any event, in Perl you'd either use `chomp` or a very simple regex if you wanted finer control. That second command would be something like
$yourString =~ s/\s+$//;
in Perl.
@waltman the newline one is a superset of the whitespace one, so you only need to trim that. And while yeah that particular API is a bit long winded it's just a method that takes a single argument and returns something.
Piers Cawley@pdcawley @paul I thought the second example was supposed to trim the newline, so that's why I went with that example. My intention wasn't to give every possibility but just demonstrate what the equivalent Perl code might look like. It's easy enough to use a character class in your regex to remove anything you want.
That said, I'm having a hard time thinking of a case where I wanted to trim trailing whitespace and *not* also trim the newlines. Maybe it comes up more often in GUI programming than CLI tools?
Chad Podoski@paul is there a super boost button on this thing? 10+ years in and I still don’t get this argument.
Brian Gerfort🇺🇦
ROTOPE~1 ⭐️@paul *laughs in gobject*
Darryl H. Thomas@paul but not a square bracket in sight!
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Curt
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Michael Bishop
Queen L’Antifa@paul 😂❤️ I still love ObjC but I'd be curious to see how a signature that achieves the same goal would look in ObjC.
四@paul I miss objective C. It’s a cobbled together mess of a language in many ways, and I’d love a cleaned up version. But even then it’s one of my favorite languages because of how effortless it is.
Coded in 10+ languages over 27+ years professionally and tried a bunch more. ObjC is still so good. I’m sad that swift is a better C++ and not a better ObjC.