The contents of a jar of Nutella

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Good thing I don’t just eat the stuff by itself right out of the jar and finish the whole thing in a single sitting.
Oh god who would do such a thing!?! Next you’d tell me some people would scrape their fingers all around the inside of the jar and lick them making sure they get every last remaining chocolate of that sweet sweet nector of the gods. And even stick their tongue inside, making out style with the jar, making sure no more chocolate taste left 🤤
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All that sugar sounds like asking for a yeast infection.

Couldn’t be me

Loving the Matilda reference!
Once read a thread where someone was asking the best way to eat it. There were suggestions like on toast, or with banana slices. But the best answer—and the one that had me laughing in tears—was:
With your whole hand.
But it tastes soooo good!
Hmm. I’m still eating it!!
Food does have ingredients, yes.
Palm oil is bad though. Besides that, I get what you mean
Ultra-processed palm oil is bad.
Palm oil is bad because rainforest is burned down to grow more monoculture palm oil. wwf.panda.org/discover/our_focus/…/palm_oil/
Palm Oil

Palm Oil

Also cruel to monkeys or something.
Well orangutans live in the forest that is burned down
Cruel to them then. Not monkeys.

This basically describes all agricultural:\

  • Clear wild land\
  • Implement monoculture
  • This has been discussed before. Clearing out steppes and prairies is different from clearing out rainforest with its extreme biodiversity.
    Because it’s being used for mass ultra processed foods. I was really just referring to the difference between that and the palm oil that’s used in traditional African cooking. Its like soy or corn or any other crop that’s being used for capitalism rather than just feeding people.
    I think this is a fair point. There’s palm oil in shit that has no reason for being in there lol
    The use of palm trees for palm oil is bad.
    sugar is worse (to your health)
    I eat only food that has just one ingredient, myself.
    Are you turning yourself into an ingredient? Is this the future liberals want?!?
    Wait until you hear about Soylent green
    ā€œFoodā€
    That’s why it is delicious.
    Palm oil = deforestation.
    Or is that just propaganda to prevent palm oil from taking to much marketshare?
    You need at least 3 times as much farmland to make an equal amount of any other form of vegetable oil.
    Most farm oil used in Europe is from sustainable farming, Indonesia makes 50% of the palm oil on the global market, and they claim to have regulated palm oil farming to be sustainable.
    Palm oil is an excellent oil, it is efficient to grow because of very high yields, and it’s been used for thousands of years.
    Palm oil is almost or entirely unique among plant oils in that it is solid at room temperature without hydrogenation, so it’s a plant oil that behaves like an animal fat in recipes. How’s it compare to lard in sustainability?
    Excellent point, compared to lard it’s probably more like 30 times more efficient in the amount of farmland needed.
    The problem is not palm oil, the real problem is that the global population has increased from 5 to 8 billion in 50 years. Without palm oil, deforestation would probably have been worse.

    There is not a pig breed out there that is all lard. However there is a huge difference between pig breeds regarding the procentage. Back in the day when palmoil was not available and lard was used the pigs we had were much fatter and fed a diet higher in cereal grains and lower in soy. When lard went out of fashion there was suddenly a huge oversupply of the stuff and we shifted their diets but more importantly shifted breeding efforts to ever leaner pigs.

    This makes it harder to say exactly what environmental impact lard would have if we shifted back to using it as one of our main solid fats. I would argue that lard right now could be seen as a byproduct. In my country a lot of the lard is currently used as a feedstock for biodiesel which, when you think about it, is absolutely insane considering we at the same time import copious amounts of palm oil. You could even see it as us currently making biodiesel from palmoil by proxy. Which is not ideal.

    But let’s say we could make the shift back to lard. We would get slightly less biodiesel but at the same time we could shift to a cereal grain heavy diet for the pigs and go back to those old breeds. Soy yields far less than say corn yields. Fatty pigs could therefore be less land demanding than lean pigs are to raise. I can’t exactly say if the demand for land would go up or down in the final equation but theoretically we could end up actually needing less land when also taking account the less land we would need for palm oil. But the main obstacle here is that people simply don’t want to eat lard anymore. It’s ā€œickyā€ for the modern consumer. Which is ironic as we still consume it in sausages as one of the largest ingredients, but the consumers won’t accept it in baking products anymore.

    In the end lard is just the carb in cereal grain converted to fat via a pig. And cereal grains are plentiful and very high yielding. Is using corn to produce fatter pigs, pigs that we would still raise anyway for the meat, really be worse than using the same corn for bio ethanol? It’s worth a thought. I would be very interested in seeing a full life cycle analysis of the land use and environmental impact such a shift would lead to.

    Definitely not entirely unique.

    RBD coconut oil can be processed further into partially or fully hydrogenated oil to increase its melting point. Since virgin and RBD coconut oils melt at 24 °C (75 °F), foods containing coconut oil tend to melt in warm climates. A higher melting point is desirable in these warm climates, so the oil is hydrogenated. The melting point of hydrogenated coconut oil is 36–40 °C (97–104 °F).

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_oil#Manufacturing

    Coconut oil - Wikipedia

    Well, I hope you are correct and that there are no reasons for Indonesia to be lying about that.

    Demand has only gone up in the past few decades. It’s in more and more highly processed foods.

    I don’t think any of this changes past deforestation, either.

    I heard that palm oil plantations deforest where orangutans live and I wouldn’t want to destroy their habitat. Why can’t America grow palm oil instead of so much corn and soy beans?
    I absolutely love Orangutans, but then any action should be against the countries that fail to protect orangutans, not demonizing palm oil which dozens of countries depend on.
    Demonizing palm oil reeks of industry manipulation, to protect agriculture in Europe or USA.

    Ok but you could be Mr monopoly guy behind the keyboard astroturfing your palm oil empire on Lemmy.

    But seriously why isn’t the USA producing palm oil?

    Not the right climate I suppose.
    I buy lots of produce from Canada. I wonder if we could greenhouse palm oil trees.
    I don’t see why not, the problem is probably more to make it profitable, as the product would have to compete in a market of cheap palm oil from developing countries.
    In greenhouses with artificial light, you can create whatever conditions you want, including a subtropical climate.

    Oil palms only grow in humid tropical environments. Environments that when left undisturbed would be tropical rainforest. Decoupling palm oil from deforestation is therefore very hard. Certified sustainable palmoil is simply from farmland that the farmers have proved not to have been deforested recently but that same land still has the potential to return to tropical rainforest after restoration.

    Regarding America specifically probably only Hawaii could support it. But land there is scarce and is used for much higher value crops like fruit crops. Harvesting palm oil is also quite labor intensive since the fruit bunches are harvested manually. It therefore does not make economic sense to grow it in countries with high wages.

    Since oil palms only grow in humid tropical environments it really comes down to which land we value the most. By using 3 hectares in Europe we could save 1 hectare of land in rainforests. What is worth more, 1 hectare rainforest in Indonesia or 3 hectares of native woodland in Europe? It’s not really clear cut. One could argue that 1 hectare of rainforest is more valuable because of the higher biodiversity. However there is not one natural answer to this question and ultimately subjective.
    Nearly all agriculture clears wild land and replaces it with monoculture.
    Yup. And it increases as demand increases. Palm oil has seen a surge in use, replacing other things, over the last few decades. This is due to trans fats being phased out. So we traded one major problem for another.

    IIRC, it was a Depression product created for the poors to have some chocolate in their short, diseased, cast-off lives.

    La Croix has more ā€œflavorā€ than Nutella is ā€œchocolateā€. šŸ–•šŸ¼

    Question: why do people like La Croix? Ive tried every flavor and each one tastes like sand and pain at best.

    Spoken like someone who drinks La Croix.

    Lobster was once a food of the impoverished too lol

    I’ve tasted of the water of lies, yes. Have you not? Are you confused at my example?

    There are still laws on the books prohibiting employers from paying wages in lobster rather than currency. Yes, the oppressed have been so for a very, very long time, haven’t they? 😶

    I’m actually not seeing anything especially surprising here. Does anyone eat a bite of it and not immediately know it’s got a ton of fat and sugar in it?
    I think the surprising part is that this guy got a jar that was seperated and layered. Mine just comes as one consistant spread.
    I think it’s a photoshop to show proportions.
    not a photoshop
    How do you know this?
    I can tell by the pixels
    It’s for sure not nutella that just separated. I don’t see how it can be anything other than a shop.

    ah yes. the only two options.

    definitely not something someone has made as a prop to show the proportions

    I considered that, but I don’t think the palm oil would stay separated on top like that. I certainly could be wrong.
    it’s quite solid at room temperature