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RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

This article is a must read.

An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

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LumiWorx 3d ago

@_elena

After reading, it leaves me with concerns that are not dev related.

1. If there's xlarge $ infusions involved, it means profit will always be 1st, and fuck the tech. They will never care.

2. If they'll eat their young once - and don't wince about it - they WILL do it again and enjoy it more aggressively every time.

3. Once they have a taste of their own, they'll feed on other's 'outside the family'.

They want performing monkeys, not projects with merit.

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Elena Rossini ⁂2d ago

@lumiworx I sometimes feel like I'm not a good "team player" when I point out weaknesses in the ATproto world. Big elephant in the room: the 100 million dollars in VC money by crypto bros. A lot of people I cherish are all for promoting both protocols (ATproto and ActivityPub), but I remain highly skeptical. And afraid. ATproto gives me big EEE vibes

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LumiWorx 2d ago

@_elena

I don't think that would be accurate at all, in terms of what I presume most might think.

Assuming my memories haven't failed me yet, @Gargron saw a need for a community solution, and decided to tackle it as people-centric, rather than seeking a profit generator social replacement to fill his bank account.

Other's have sought the opposite, and as time goes on, the altruistic mask has fallen away, and they can't escape the obvious.

Never think it doesn't need some sunlight. :)

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Emelia 1d ago

@[email protected] said in This article is a must read.:

@_elena

I don't think that would be accurate at all, in terms of what I presume most might think.

Assuming my memories haven't failed me yet, Gargron saw a need for a community solution, and decided to tackle it as people-centric, rather than seeking a profit generator social replacement to fill his bank account.

You mean how Eugen demanded a payday before stepping aside as CEO/Managing Director of Mastodon, a job he never particularly wanted to do and which stalled the project for many years? Are we forgetting that Eugen took €1 million of the €3 million mastodon raised in funding recently?

Not everything is as rosy here as y'all wanna believe, lots of hidden history.

⁂ ActivityPub.Space

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LumiWorx

@thisismissem

"I don't think that would be accurate at all, in terms of what I presume most might think."

That was in reference to Elena's comment about being viewed as a team player... and nothing else.

As for "my memories failing me...", I was recalling from memory what I read years ago and recollected as Eugen's comments on why he had chosen to work on ActivityPub and Mastodon. I'm not a member of the board, nor do I have access to info on those events.