Dr. Robert M Flight
Lori Emersonfinally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks
Aaro Koskinen@loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.
Red Oak@aakoskin @loriemerson hey, this reply sucks
Ricardo Harvin
Fishercat@ricardoharvin @redoak @[email protected]
Thanks for helping me feed my block list.
happyborg
Eggs now in different baskets.@ricardoharvin @redoak @aakoskin It is just lucky that we are not in a week where there is an important annual celebration that is part of the rituals of a major world religion that preaches peace for all, understanding of all and treating strangers as friends is taking place.
Oh, wait, is it Easter already?
WesDym@redoak It doesn't occur to you that the post directly conflicts with its own content, and the comment you responded to explains how. You just don't like it.
"This sucks" is not an argument or proposal. It's what little kids say about anything they don't like, because we excuse them from adult responsibilies such as accounting for themselves.
If you're not a little kid, you should understand why "I don't like thing" does not flatter you.
James@DrJLecter Thanks for advice, but none of my posts rely on the attached image content, so alt text is irrelevant for me and same for the reader.
Alistair K@aakoskin @DrJLecter Some of us struggle to know that without alt text to convey it, alas.
L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ@aakoskin @DrJLecter If the image is so irrelevant — why attach one?
@Mabande @DrJLecter "If the image is so irrelevant — why attach one?"
That's a very good question.
Possibily the reason is that earlier platforms like Twitter rewarded such posts, and also if you have a picture it gets people's attention in their feeds.
Personally I would like text-only Internet, like it used to be. Maybe I should try posting without any pictures, and see if it makes any difference.
@aakoskin you are on Mastodon. You have options because here are no algorithms, just real who prefer not to interact with people who behave like they're on twitter:
1) put Alt Text into your pictures to treat blind people the same as the people who can actually see what is in your image
2) stop adding pictures in the first place if you think they're irrelevant anyway
And most important:
3) stop jumping into people's replies just to be rude
I think that will better your experience here profoundly.
1) put Alt Text into your pictures to treat blind people the same as the people who can actually see what is in your image
2) stop adding pictures in the first place if you think they're irrelevant anyway
And most important:
3) stop jumping into people's replies just to be rude
I think that will better your experience here profoundly.
@DrJLecter I've pretty much never met anyone who uses "lmao" unironically who isn't insufferably -- and often embarrassingly -- immature.
ArmageddJen@aakoskin @loriemerson the text is in the image description you numpty.
@ItsJenNotGoblin Don't be an immature jerk.
Richard Rathe"Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."
For a simple list like the above. I agree.
I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.
lxskllr@nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson
Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.
@lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post
@loriemerson @lxskllr @aakoskin
Speaking as a reader of your post, I'd rather have the text than a picture of the text. In this case I think all/most of the content was in the alt text, which is good but may be hidden for some (depends on the UI).
@loriemerson Don't worry; you're not the only one here who's excessively full of themself.
Go touch grass.
@lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson
I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.
Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?
@nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson
It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.
I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D
@lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson
Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.
Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂
@nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson
"Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"
That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.
@nickrauchen Yeah, but that's extra work that too many people don't want to do. Cory Doctorow does it very well, but he's willing to do the work.
I agree completely about Cory. He outlined his social publishing strategy/experiments in a post I've lost track of. It had the "write-once, publish-everywhere" vibe. Very impressive. Also web-standards, no trackers, etc. 🙂 👍
I mostly resist the temptation to screen shot and re-post from other sources. And when a news item is about actual research, I try to find/include a link to the original paper when possible.
If I read something about "researchers discover XYZ..." and they don't at least give the lead author and journal, I pass it by--no likes, no links. 🚯
@nickrauchen It annoys me more than a little that I can't share most orginal sources without that original source automatically providing a (usually pointless) image.
I fear greatly that our addiction to images is fundamentally childish, and that this trend of infantilization is bad for ALL of us in the long run. I find it harder and harder to have serious and thoughtful adult conversations, and impossible to spend any amount of time online without encountering needless immaturity.
@nickrauchen I'm pretty sure that most of the time, it's just laziness. Someone found the image, liked it, and decided to share it, without considering that an image of just text is ridiculous.
Dirk Willrodt@nickrauchen @[email protected] @loriemerson
The image being a picture from a book conveys additional information (that this quote comes from a book at least) and may give additional weight to the pure text.
If the text where a screenshot, or just in itself typed on a digital device, ok.
But then still, this discussion would be off topic and typical mastodon rudeness and derailment.
The image being a picture from a book conveys additional information (that this quote comes from a book at least) and may give additional weight to the pure text.
If the text where a screenshot, or just in itself typed on a digital device, ok.
But then still, this discussion would be off topic and typical mastodon rudeness and derailment.
a libi rose
M.S. Bellows, Jr.@aakoskin @loriemerson Have you always been a Karen or did you choose it as a career?
tools for commensality 🧿how about never tell a media studies scholar how to represent a text
sport of sacred spherical cowsSitting with the semiotics of fixed typography, as signifier of the book as artifact, that would be elided by a mere copypasta of raw text.
To wit, the OP specifically is presenting this passage as historically situated in a specific media form.
@inquiline How about get over yourself.
I come from a family of scientists and academics. Anyone with the attitude expressed in your comment worships the irory tower I grew up in. They should not. Academics are ordinary people who make ordinary mistakes that call for ordinary correction.
Images that are just text are fucking garbage, and deserve to be called out for it. Doesn't matter who posted it.
By the way, if you're going to talk like this, try writing like an educated grown-up.
Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉@aakoskin @loriemerson says the person who doesn't alt text their image posts. 🤡
@aakoskin @loriemerson On the other hand, if they had not posted at all then I would never have come across this information. At least the image has alt-text.
Perhaps also the extra information that the picture offers, that is, it comes from a printed document makes me interested to try to track down a copy of this document.
Thus, giving me the option of having the information in a (relatively) immutable form on my bookshelf instead if in an ephemeral and thus editable form on the internet.
Nate Allen@loriemerson the sad thing is that, today, if someone tried selling something based on these principles they would go out of business because people are only driven by price.
@mossyfoot I don't even know if they could even get such a business started in the first place! we are slowly heading toward an anti-capitalist revolution of some kind...I just hope it doesn't take too many more global catastrophes to happen
@loriemerson agreed.
Hey Gus@loriemerson
This is the hope our planet needs.
Guillotine Jones, Flâneur@loriemerson
Now obsessing about Mr Berry's rule #9 and the current run of tech bros obsessed with "disruption" as some sort of positive thing.
Now obsessing about Mr Berry's rule #9 and the current run of tech bros obsessed with "disruption" as some sort of positive thing.
Pterry@loriemerson funny thing, this resembles in part the requirements for new drugs
Pavel A. Samsonov@loriemerson I love the idea of the body's energy being solar energy
@PavelASamsonov @loriemerson Right? I adore that too. Wendell Berry is a small farmer who raises some meat animals, which he pastures in the places that would erode if they were plowed. I saw him speak in Portland 30 years ago and he explained that meat farmer this way, unlike factory farms, is not inherently bad because it is another efficient way of extracting solar energy.
I love Wendell Berry.
Earthshine@loriemerson Yes 100% to all of this. Though I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "some form of solar energy" in that context... it sounds like they mean generally renewable or naturally abundant in the local environment?
Geoff Mackenzie@earthshine @loriemerson I think they mean it quite literally. The energy in us comes from our food, which gets it from the sun. Wind energy is also from the sun since it's the heat differences that drive the wind. If you take that idea to extremes fossil fuels are also solar but I don't think that's what they meant :)
Space Hobo@earthshine @loriemerson You can imagine that all of these criteria were derived in reverse from the premise that bicycles are amazing technology that fit our society extremely well.
@earthshine @loriemerson I suspect a lot of this was inspired by Ilich's Tools For Conviviality.
SlightlyCyberpunk@earthshine @loriemerson Yeah, powered by burning wood or vegetation, or a combustion engine running pure ethanol..maybe even incinerating mountains of bioplastics... :)
ZenHeathen 🇨🇦@loriemerson Based on this brilliant wisdom, I should look this person up.
@ZenHeathen @loriemerson You absolutely should. Here are a couple starting points:
Why I Will Not Buy a Computer (essay): berry-computer.pdf https://classes.matthewjbrown.net/teaching-files/philtech/berry-computer.pdf
The Blue Robe (poem): https://www.writersalmanac.org/index.html%3Fp=6383.html
Jennifer Moore 😷Thanks for the links!