Brian Honan5h ago
Ariadne Conill 🐰

so anthropic's coding thing leaked, and they are using DMCA to get it taken down.

but if it is all vibecoded and everything generated by LLM is not copyrightable...

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Show threadToasterson (Till Wegmüller)7h ago
@ariadne I know right! /me grabs popcorn for the return of the appeals.
Show threadNot a Spring Onion7h ago

@Toasterson @ariadne

Anthropic lawyer: "Similar to murder vs. accidental death, 'stealing' assumes intent, which our AI doesn't have, or... maybe has, we aren't sure about that... so... I think we have to postpone the verdict until a time where Anthropic has successfully and beyond all doubt created an AGI and contained it."

Show threadprincess pancake ​7h ago
@[email protected] Couldn't they technically say it's a trade secret?
Show threadAriadne Conill 🐰7h ago
@natty not covered by DMCA
Show threadtj usiyan7h ago
@natty @ariadne But … they made it not a secret…
Show thread⠠⠵ avuko7h ago
@griotspeak @natty @ariadne I’m unironically thinking maybe Claude pushed itself to prod.
Show threadmx alex tax1a - 2020 (6)6h ago
@avuko fwiw what we learned from the leaks is that we were right when we said "these things don't actually do anything on their own, it's all deception, smoke and mirrors"; claude didn't push itself to prod, someone who let their skills rot away pushed it to prod.
Show thread⠠⠵ avuko6h ago

@atax1a you’re probably right.

Would be damn funny if it turns out someone had this all set up with prompting.

Show threadLisPi12m ago

@natty @ariadne Not that those should have any legal protection.

If you can't do OPSEC as a business, then that's your own problem.

Show threadprozacchiwawa7h ago

@ariadne

"a manager received orders from a corporate board to get someone to vibe code this, which is creative work."

Show threadDan Lyke7h ago
@ariadne yeah, I'm kinda wondering if I could do something to invoke a DMCA takedown so I could publish the response to "but Boris Cherney said, so I'm gonna need you to specify exactly which parts are copyrightable..."
Show threadleaving form individual having7h ago
@ariadne they probably did not want to have this lawsuit this soon, but claude did
Show threadNicolas Dufour7h ago
@ariadne a bit like saying that LLMs is the best opensource source of code ever created :D a copyright laundromat ^^
Show threadAriadne Conill 🐰5h ago
@nrdufour i mean someone made that argument on openbsd-tech recently
Show threadmx alex tax1a - 2020 (6)7h ago

RE: https://infosec.exchange/@atax1a/116307867227671298

@ariadne i think we called this 4 days ago

Show threadcmw5h ago
@ariadne
Yet another case of:

Laws that apply to those that they don't defend and defend those that they don't apply to.
Show threadNuclear Oatmeal4h ago

@ariadne

Was only with phone when I heard. So I just downloaded the zip file from GitHub since I figured its half life wouldn't be too long.

Show threadVincent Sparks 🔜 Furlingame3h ago

@ariadne can't wait for the courts to decide that it only counts as copyright infringement if someone with less than a billion dollars is doing it

eh, maybe it won't even get as far as the courts. maybe GitHub will just comply with the takedown requests because they don't want to be in Anthropic's bad graces and that will be that, no option for appeal, just like on YouTube

then again they did put yt-dlp back up after a stern talking-to from the EFF, so who knows

Show threadSemitones3h ago
@ariadne DMCA stands for "Don't Make Code Available"
Show threadSierraKomodo   1h ago
@ariadne Feels like these days dmca only exists to be abused by the rich and powerful