@Netraven @mcnado

yeah but despite all of the shadow money we can still vote

especially in the primaries coming up

so many elections are decided by such a small percentage

and such a large percentage don't vote

yeah not all of them are leftists but if leftists did show up imagine the difference

the problem is this sort of mindless cynicism, that something is inevitable. it's not

vote, assholes

why would anyone give dark money what it wants by not voting?

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

you don't vote for them

you show up in the primaries and you replace them

the problem is this "dems suck" whine then people don't show up in the primaries out of useless pathetic indolence. so nothing changes

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

this is an inversion of responsibility

if you vote, the party answers to you

if you don't vote, the party answers to dark money and spineless centrists who do vote

if we vote, we may fail. if we don't vote, we *will* fail. so why would you want to define your political consciousness as acceptance of fascism? you understand that is what your cynical "unlikely" is about right? cynicism is acceptance. do you accept fascism? i don't think so. so vote

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

by voting

sitting back and passing your responsibility to dem leadership to magically change is absurdity

i am confused why you think that's a valid position

you mob the primaries, you replace them

proof it works?

mamdani

dem centrists opposed him every step of the way. and yet he won

how?

because people showed the fuck up

you have to change the way you think about the problem

don't depend upon assholes who will never change to change

vote

Asking them to eject a leader who illegally and unconditionally supports a genocidal nation is wanting magic?

This should be the bare minimum to exist as a political party much less a human being.

@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote

but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?

rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?

that's the way it works

why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?

Because that doesn’t work.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/chuck-schumer-resign-democrats-b2720088.html

@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

It’s like brainwashing. We’ve been voting for ‘the best possible’ Dem candidates for decades and it brought us to this exact moment.

@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@Pine_Affinity

No
Factually and historically false.

We got here BECAUSE "didn't vote" is the largest bloc, and instead of leaning in to bends things positive, they stood back and just let the Right snatch the victory, over, and over, and over, and over again

We got here because people who could have helped prevent Citizens United, didn't

@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

Was Joe Biden voted into office? Did he then arm Israel to the teeth despite national and international law?

@screwturn @JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@Pine_Affinity

Was Biden better than the Orange guy?
Was Kamal better than the Orange guy?

We got the worst option because people who should have voted for her, just never showed up

@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@screwturn @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado Please don't blame the voters for not voting for a second-pick candidate that was selected for us without any primaries.

We got the worst option because the DNC is much more focused on satisfying their donors than their voters. In a functioning democracy, the DNC would have died after the fiasco of 2024.

Nobody owes the DNC a vote. The DNC, of course, disagrees. Which is why they can fuck right off, imho.

@grumble209 @screwturn @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @mcnado

"the voters for not voting"

well there's your problem. somewhat of a contradiction in terms no?

@benroyce @screwturn @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado Like a "Democratic party" that picks candidates for people to vote for?

It's idiocracy all the way down, my friend.

@grumble209 @screwturn @Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @mcnado

yes, i like how the dnc picked mamdani. oh no wait they picked someone else. ah well, the voters couldn't vote because the dnc is a vast omnipotent force. it would have been nice to have mamdani, but as we know, once the dnc picks someone, the voter is absolutely powerless to do anything about it