McNadoMDNothing gives Israel a special right to invade neighbors, bulldoze their homes, and create a DMZ.
US voters must make anyone supporting the Israeli state unelectable until support for this bullshit stops.
Netraven@mcnado Ultimately it comes to AIPAC and shadow money which banks are happy to facilitate. Unless the banks are regulated and forced to pay for their crimes, then this will never stop. The banks can't be regulated without getting good candidates in... which can't get in because... circular logic. We're back to the billions of dollars spent bribing officials.
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIESyeah but despite all of the shadow money we can still vote
especially in the primaries coming up
so many elections are decided by such a small percentage
and such a large percentage don't vote
yeah not all of them are leftists but if leftists did show up imagine the difference
the problem is this sort of mindless cynicism, that something is inevitable. it's not
vote, assholes
why would anyone give dark money what it wants by not voting?
Pine Affinitywhy would I vote for this party?
https://www.commondreams.org/news/schumer-israel-aid
@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado
https://www.commondreams.org/news/schumer-israel-aid
@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado
'No, That Is Not Your Job,' Say Critics After Schumer Claims 'Job' Is to 'Fight for Aid to Israel' | Common Dreams
"Seventy-five percent of Democratic voters oppose sending Israel more military aid, as do 66% of independents and 60% of Americans overall," noted one domestic policy expert.
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
you don't vote for them
you show up in the primaries and you replace them
the problem is this "dems suck" whine then people don't show up in the primaries out of useless pathetic indolence. so nothing changes
The Hill believes a leadership change is unlikely.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5807683-schumer-future-senate-leadership/
@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5807683-schumer-future-senate-leadership/
@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
this is an inversion of responsibility
if you vote, the party answers to you
if you don't vote, the party answers to dark money and spineless centrists who do vote
if we vote, we may fail. if we don't vote, we *will* fail. so why would you want to define your political consciousness as acceptance of fascism? you understand that is what your cynical "unlikely" is about right? cynicism is acceptance. do you accept fascism? i don't think so. so vote
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
by voting
sitting back and passing your responsibility to dem leadership to magically change is absurdity
i am confused why you think that's a valid position
you mob the primaries, you replace them
proof it works?
mamdani
dem centrists opposed him every step of the way. and yet he won
how?
because people showed the fuck up
you have to change the way you think about the problem
don't depend upon assholes who will never change to change
vote
@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote
but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?
rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?
that's the way it works
why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?
Because that doesn’t work.
JakeKb@Pine_Affinity @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I really don't understand why can't Americans accept that the democratic party is an imperialist party for the elites that doesn't answer to its people. Why can't you build actual grassroot movements and put forward your own candidates that are not compromised by the democratic party systems of control? Far easier task than changing the democratic party from within.
@JakeKb @Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado
a 3rd party divides the left vote and ensures MAGA domination
we need to take over the democrats. i don't like it. it's just the most feasible option
the problem with international observers like yourself is you come from a different voting system
the usa is FPTP
meaning there will only ever be 2 parties (we need RCV to fix that)
it's not corruption, it's math
educate yourself before commenting on the matter next time:
@Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado
and that's on you. because you didn't show up in the primaries to vote him out
🏴☠️ regor 🐦⬛@benroyce @[email protected] @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado goddamn some holier-than-thou pricks just refuse to understand the assignment.
@roger @JakeKb @Netraven @mcnado
some people don't care about fixing the world or righting wrongs
their primary concern is rationalizing to themselves their entitlement to sit it out and whine
they don't want to sully their magical sense of purity. their self-regard is their highest concern, they do not care if the country is fascist. as long as they get to say "not my fault" when we're going to concentration camps. even though it is their fault, because they did not participate
@benroyce @roger @Netraven @mcnado You are definitely not fixing the world by voting for democrats. Same bombs will fall on the same people and the same elites will keep profiting. If you are willing to throw everyone outside the US under the bus just to get some sense of normality within your country, then we don't have the same goals.
@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado yes, an not voting is going so well? You really made the world so much safer staying home? Palestine is free? You refuse to listen to Ben's clear plan to use the existing *clearly flawed* political machinery to drag the Overton window to the left. Good lord, no one has said the democratic party is going to magically fix the world.
Sulking is just obeying in advance. You're either a troll or willfully ignorant.
@roger @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I am not an American so to me there is no difference which president sends the bombs. What I do know is that historically fascism is defeated on the streets, not the ballot box. If all you can do politically is vote for the least worst option, you will always end up in this point just later. Why can't you channel all that energy instead to build something for yourselves, not controlled by big money and actually by the people?
Deb Nam-KraneYou don't care which president sends the bombs? If you think Palestine would have suffered as much under Harris, you're delusional. She wasn't the one who wanted to turn Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East. She also wouldn't have attacked and threatened numerous countries in less than a year and a half. And screwed Ukraine.
Adults frequently have to choose between bad options. Pretending that you don't literally makes everything worse.
@dnkboston @roger @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado I definitely think that because Wesley Clark leaked the memo 25 years ago. 7 countries in 5 years, it just took them longer. Iraq under Bush, then Libya and Syria under Obama and all the rest until Iran under Trump. Both democrats and republicans did that. Thinking that this is decided by who's in office is what is actually delusional.
@dnkboston @roger @benroyce @mcnado I am pointing to you that in the last 25 years it is a bipartisan decision to blow up the middle east. Just because Trump is more insane and willing to rush invasions and not make excuses, doesn't make him significantly different. The goal is the same, US dominance through force. And Harris was part of the admin that started the gaza genocide, so no I don't think it would be much different, just less blatant. At least I have evidence for my arguments.
@JakeKb @dnkboston @roger @mcnado
deb is not a dude, jackass
@benroyce @dnkboston @roger @mcnado Sorry, I use dude more generally, particularly for people who insult me, but I will correct it if they find it offensive.
@JakeKb @dnkboston @roger @mcnado
it might also be nice that you
1. understand a topic, such as FPTP voting, before championing a behavior like 3rd party voting that only helps MAGA in the rotten american voting system
2. not insist on smearing someone with an accusation like "you just want dems" and when they make the effort to correct you you still insist on pursuing the smear
insults, no insults, bad word choice, good word choice, whatever
intellectual honesty is what is desired
@benroyce @dnkboston @roger @mcnado I am not smearing you, this is the impression I get when all you say is vote for democrats. I don't see any bigger campaigning from your side at least from here. Also I fully understand the system and think you can beat it. You followed the vote blue no matter who path and got Trump twice, if you had focused your energy elsewhere maybe you would have been able to challenge both parties. Put movements before parties, not the other way around.
Bent Chinrest@JakeKb @benroyce @dnkboston @roger @mcnado you, my dude, keep saying, mate, that you are "not in the US"
It's puzzling then, pal, why you feel entitled to educate us, your buddies, on what we ought to do. Provided, friend, that your insights are courtesy of second-hand reports it is difficult, chum, to refrain from asking you, kindly, to silently observe in order to diminish your ignorance, rather than parade it
It's puzzling then, pal, why you feel entitled to educate us, your buddies, on what we ought to do. Provided, friend, that your insights are courtesy of second-hand reports it is difficult, chum, to refrain from asking you, kindly, to silently observe in order to diminish your ignorance, rather than parade it
@paneerakbari @benroyce @dnkboston @roger @mcnado I would really like to not have to bother with you, but you are the ones who have military bases in my country and an embassy that in the past imposed dictatorships on us. I really wish I could ignore you but until you stop interfering in our politics, someone has to tell you what your foreign policy actually does and push you to think of the people who really suffer as a result.