EDIT: This might be a better idea. https://mastodon.social/@mrmasterkeyboard/116309403462425727

FUCK IT, let's just fucking fork OpenSolaris's last code. Best way to get away from AI/LLMs.

It's already written for us, it's a good OS and kernel and honestly it's an awesome relic of computing.

cc: @thing

@thing or something like that, forking another OS without any AI stuff is the best option instead of writing our own from scratch. That would take years. Sure, both options are fun but one is less painful from my experience.

Doesn't have to be OpenSolaris but it's one of the best options we have. I don't exactly want to pull an EVi on FreeBSD or any of the others currently.

@thing @mrmasterkeyboard

Wait, wait… there are still other BSD things right? I've never used any of them but I know there's a handful. And if you're gonna fork a kernel, why not just fork Linux itself from a while ago or something?

@[email protected] @mrmasterkeyboard the bsd's exchange code quite often.
@[email protected] @mrmasterkeyboard also, he's not just forking a kernel; he's forking a whole operating system. kernel space AND user space.
@thing @cloudskater Honestly, userspace is just as susceptible to AI from upstreams. We'd have to rip that out and make our own maybe unless we're willing to take a risk there.

@thing @mrmasterkeyboard

You should not have to dig this hard to get something that's for sure not tainted by AI. Devs shouldn't be so willing to use it. It's insane.

Sorry I keep repeating the same point but like, it makes. no. FUCKING. SENSE. AUGH ACK- sorry, hairball.

@cloudskater @thing This is why I fucking hate my life and the entire world right now.

Fuck everything.

I SHOULD BE WORRYING IF MY HARDWARE DIES NOT IF THE PROJECT IS FUCKING THE PLANET OVER-

@cloudskater @thing Making our own kernel and creating an OS on top of it either using projects that are committed to not using AI or allowing it outright or writing our own utils and apps on it is probably our best option right now because we can design things to best fit what people need and also know how it all works instead of being stuck with a codebase we potentially can't understand fast enough.

@cloudskater @thing You know what, fuck it. I'm coming out of my emotional spiral. I've got motivation, I've got fury, I've got destruction in me.

We need to do something. I don't care how hopeless this shit is, we need to fabricate some hope to make real hope. We need to do something, create our way out.

@cloudskater @thing I’ll probably get started on planning and communication soon.

I don’t know where I’d put communication.

Current options:
1. IRC (somehow but that’d mean I’d run two channels on OFTC)
2. Matrix (but not everyone likes to use it)
3. (If it really had to come to it) Fluxer

@mrmasterkeyboard @thing

Ooo!!! I got something for you!! Spacebar.chat is a fucking great open source re-implimintation of Discord that works really well already! I talked to the devs and they're opposed to AI as well so no issues there. I think I suggested it for Starlight's No-AI list, it just hasn't been added yet.

I've been trying so hard to get more people over there, it kicks ass.


#Spacebar #discord
@cloudskater @thing Will use this old, now repurposed Codeberg org for this: https://codeberg.org/ProjectAnchorage
Project Anchorage

People who create whatever we want and collaborate whenever we want.

Codeberg.org

@thing @mrmasterkeyboard

Motherfucker, you make a LibraPay or whateverthefuck its called right now. Idc if it's not even started yet, give me something good to support and a reason to finally use LibraryPayPal or whatever it's called I'm too lazy to open a new tab rn

@mrmasterkeyboard @cloudskater @thing you know, I frequently read so many people complaining about slop software, but motivation for some joint group vision effort like gnu was back then with „let’s make our whole own free open stack“ seems to be lacking sadly :c I actually tried to see if there’s demand in my small following circle but retoots went quite small, so I wish you good luck and am keen to help as I’m currently also fighting brainworms for my own kernel, but I think without some bigger „vision“ design & group, it will mostly be „wasted time“ (still learn shit, but not reach your end goal)
@lixou @cloudskater @thing I'd honestly love to make my own stack. I've had that vision for a while. Internet sucks, OSes suck, hardware kinda sucks, let's just make our own.
@mrmasterkeyboard @lixou @cloudskater @thing
i have this motivation in me constantly but i know it can never happen the way i really want it. and yeah, as lixou pointed out, the lack of any mass effort against this is really disappointing...
- every package ecosystem is too infested to the point where it will take a lifetime to even unslop 10% of what you use on a daily basis
- hardware sucks but our fpgas and tapeouts are made using child labor anyways
- internet sucks but maintaining a custom isp sounds like a nightmare
- oses suck but again that is a lifetime project
at this point all we can is cry and then somehow carry forward (still figuring that last part out)
@ethan @lixou @cloudskater @thing Then we make our own entirely. We have to abandon what we have now... I don't want to take giving up nor putting up with it as an answer...
@ethan @lixou @cloudskater @thing I'm just absolutely sick and tired of what we have now. Even if we need to sacrifice one part of the plan, it's worth it in my head.
@mrmasterkeyboard @lixou @cloudskater @thing yeah im so sick and tired and i wonder if that's part of the plan because id rather just not spend my brainspace on this and do stuff like music instead
@ethan @lixou @cloudskater @thing yeah, I get that... I like music too... at least I'm not forced to take slop there.
@mrmasterkeyboard @lixou @cloudskater @thing speaking of music been setting up a navidrome server lately! maybe that will help keep my mind off this. let me check their github for some info-
@mrmasterkeyboard dude no way you could favorite that post _instantly_
@lixou lmao I'm just a really fast reader, my brain works really weirdly how I read certain parts and stitch it together.
@mrmasterkeyboard about planning, would you rather make a Linux/BSD "clone", like POSIX-compliant, or would you like to experiment a bit more, like being to plan9 what plan9 was to unix. One could still add posix layer on top for apps, but I feel like there is so much space to explore when it comes to interop and security/isolation, I just don't have a clear picture about it

@lixou I’d definitely try to be experimental in that regard. I really do like how BSD works in general.

For the longest time, I’ve had an idea to make a BSD-like system with a microkernel but not to be a straight clone of course. Definitely separate out a bit.

@mrmasterkeyboard That's what I wanted to hear! nice 
@lixou honestly, I’m kinda tempted to repurpose one of my old Codeberg orgs right now to host this whole project and idea.
@lixou will repurpose this old project org of mine that I never officially started for this I guess: https://codeberg.org/ProjectAnchorage
Project Anchorage

People who create whatever we want and collaborate whenever we want.

Codeberg.org
@mrmasterkeyboard @lixou do you happen to know if theres a no-AI fork of curl you could use for your binutils?
@mrmasterkeyboard @lixou oh...you didn't know........................................................................................................................................yeah so i use wget now :3