As always the massive Together Alliance march against the far right already involves a dispute about how many were involved - organisers claim half a million, the police say 50,000 (while admitting they found it difficult to count). That's a pretty big disparity... but film on the Guardian website suggests a big demo, so perhaps we might say the average of the two estimates - quarter of a million?

In any case, great to see people out en-masse demonstrating!

#politics
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2026/mar/28/london-protest-march-together-alliance-against-the-far-right-latest-news-updates

‘The tide is turning’, Green party leader tells crowd at march against far right – live

Organisers claim half a million people are marching through central London, protesting against the rise of the far right

the Guardian

And meanwhile in the USA today has seen a range of further No Kings marches & demonstrations - if the Right thinks people will walk quietly into the fascist state they are wrong - we know what they are doing & we will not be quiet about it!

#protest #fascism #politics

@ChrisMayLA6 You might want to scan for a couple of wee #typos 🙂

@alex_p_roe

now done, thanks Alex - heads up appreciated - its been a day.....

@ChrisMayLA6 You’re welcome as usual Chris. I do hope the rest of the day gets a little easier 🙂

@alex_p_roe

thanks, yes things have eased off....

@ChrisMayLA6 I like to think more people are aware of what the fascists are up to - hence the resistance. Not helping the far right’s case is the fact that many come across as complete lunatics. It’s the ones hiding in the shadows that are far more scary.

@ChrisMayLA6 Sadly, #NoKings is just a day out for centrists who like cosplaying with a bold slogan.

A real "no kings" movement would have actual goals and demands, and a plan to dismantle the #ImperialPresidency ... but https://www.nokings.org/about-nk has none of that. It's just a fancy label for anti-Trump rallies by the so-called "Democrats" to restore the failed neoliberals to power, removing #Trump's oligarchic fascists with the blue corporate fascists, but without restraining the empire.

@2legged

While I'm sure that a significant element, from a distance (at least) it looks a little less singular than that - there would seem to be some (at least) on the NoKings marches who have a more radical game plan... although I cold also be mistaken (I accept)

@ChrisMayLA6 Yes, there probably are some with a more radical plan, possibly much more radical. There are probably huge debates in private.

But ir's still remarkable that there is absolutely no beef at all on the "#NoKings" slogan. I would have expected at least some specifics

@ChrisMayLA6 Usually a good rule of thumb to average the organisers' and police estimates, but it does sound like the Met are really taking the piss this time.
@ChrisMayLA6 I very much doubt the Met don’t know the numbers. I’m sure they have tech resources that could count the number of cellphones and get location data and work out how many phones moved along the route. Unless, of course, the demonstrators were being very cautious and only about 50k of them brought their phone.

@ginger_tosser

well there may well be a different between what the know and what they say... which wouldn't be the first time

@ginger_tosser @ChrisMayLA6 Yes, they know the numbers and consciously lied to the press to downplay those numbers, which any seasoned activist will tell you they do all the time.
@ChrisMayLA6 I was at the London march today, and I live smack bang next to a major football club ground. I know what 50,000 looks like, and it was WAY more than that.
@ScriptJoy @ChrisMayLA6
They did the same when we marched against blairs war. The met are shite at counting.

@ravensrod @ScriptJoy @ChrisMayLA6 The Met said 110,000-150,000 for the fascist Unite the Kingdom march.

Looks like deliberate political bias to me.

@MatthewToadAgain @ScriptJoy @ChrisMayLA6
What do you expect from an institutionaly racist bunch of rapists and murderers?

@ChrisMayLA6 The worrying thing is the same police force claim the Unite the Kingdom far right hate march last year was 110,000-150,000, vs 50,000 for Together. In fact it's smaller even than Restore Nature Now - and very possibly smaller than The Big One (Earth Day 2023, XR and others), though there are no police numbers for that (probably because there were no arrests).

If that is true, it is difficult to see any hope, period. It implies the left is utterly exhausted and incompetent, or that the tactics of the left are fundamentally broken.

It means that the 70% of the population who don't want Nigel Farage as dictator for life can't even organise a protest half the size of the fascist, openly xenophobic rally last year at which there was significant violence, even with considerable help from the recent actions of the Donald, demonstrating once again that fascist strongmen always start illegal wars sooner or later.

Most of the 25 arrests today were for Palestine Action which wasn't really part of the main march; those 18 arrests will probably become irrelevant when the appeal finally goes through, and the others were small fry.

And sure, there are some people who buy into the whole "flags equals patriotism" thing. So you could argue that numbers for Unite the Kingdom are explained by misplaced patriotism.

But that implies that the so-called patriots, presumably the kind that think the British Empire was a good idea, also ignore the whole burning down hotels with intent to cause death thing (granted not at Unite the Kingdom, but there were 27 arrests mostly for somewhat serious violence, as you'd expect with "Tommy Robinson"'s brownshirts). Plus Unite the Kingdom of course saw the usual "all immigrants are paedophiles" incitement to violence, as we've seen in many recent far right / anti-refugee protests. So people who attended Unite the Kingdom can reasonably be described as fascists.

People who attended Together are, mostly, anti-fascists. (The view across the Atlantic is obviously horrifying!)

If the Met numbers are correct, the far right demo last year was twice the size of today's march. And that's *extremely* worrying.

Meanwhile the organisers claim half a million for Together, while Farage claims half a million for Unite the Kingdom, though others claim 150,000.

Who to believe? This is a classic case of flooding the zone with shit, but I suspect political bias on the part of the Met here. If so, we have to ask why - 1) infiltration by the far right, 2) pressure from government (which part of it?), or 3) some misguided attempt to compensate for accusations of "two-tier policing" (there are good reasons why the DFLA et al tend to get a heavier police presence than many left wing groups!)...

Nonetheless it felt big. It started two hours over schedule because of a large feed-in from the Palestine/Iran contingent.

(Sorry for the number of edits, it's been a very long day!)

@MatthewToadAgain

Thanks for this; on the reasons for a low count, I'd say its a combination of 1) & 2).

@MatthewToadAgain @ChrisMayLA6 The aerial footage proves the Met lied. They downplayed the numbers in a deliberate attempt to mislead the public. Your reaction to the figure they pulled out of their arses is exactly what they wanted.

"The left" got hundreds of thousands to march in London, dwarfing the far-right demo last year. That's the objective truth which you can easily check by looking at all the drone footage. Many folks never even made it to the end point.

@ChrisMayLA6 It felt big, but not as big as the Brexit protests back in the day. Hard to judge if it was bigger or smaller than the ‘Tommy' march. Borderline maybe. Didn't feel like half a million... but much bigger than 50k.

For context I am a protest photographer who often sees both the front and back of protests and have a rough idea how long it takes them all to file into whitehall.

The music event in Trafalgar Square also made judging numbers difficult since people were going into that before the march even arrived.

@dan

Interesting; thanks - and boosted

@dan Wherever you were in the march, your estimate would be way off if you weren't aware there were several separate "feeder" marches from different start points in London, all converging on Whitehall and/or Trafalgar. The Palestine bloc (160-odd orgs) was it's own separate tributary, as was the Jewish bloc. There was a "silent" march for those with sensory issues, a shorter route for those with impaired mobility, etc.

It certainly dwarfed Tommy's fascist carnival last year.

@ChrisMayLA6

@ApostateEnglishman @dan @ChrisMayLA6 That’s even better, since Tommeh claimed something like three million…..
Not sure the little criminal can actually count, though.

@HarriettMB @dan @ChrisMayLA6 Tommy is an even bigger fibber than the London Metropolitan Police - and the press should also be chided for running with 150,000. He attracted no more than 110,000, as careful OSINT work - analysis of the crowds' density in drone footage vs. known capacity of the areas they were occupying - has shown.

That's still an alarming number, but nowhere near as historically large as yesterday's broad coalition of antifascists and anti-racists.

@dan @ChrisMayLA6 The police *always* used to low-ball marches by 75%, presumably to deter protesters from turning up for future events and making life more annoying for them.

Extrapolating from the official police 50K figure, 200K demonstrators sounds likely.

@dan @ChrisMayLA6
The almost accurate data of any public gathering is avaliable to prying governments since at least 2010. This can be measured simply by set operations. We have the set of IMEI numbers seen at the place, then we substract IMEIs known to that place yesterday in the same time window. Then we can filter out passerbys using hand-off data. With march moving past three or more coverage boundaries hand-off data is enough to get at +/- 0,1% accuracy.

@ChrisMayLA6 The police figure should be ignored as it is a bareface lie. I've attended large protests in London (with 10,000, 50,000, 70,000, 100,000, 500,000) for decades, and only an idiot would imagine as low as 50,000 attending this one. The march was still filtering into Whitehall when the end of the event was announced from the stage!

Some unknown number of people never even made it to Whitehall or Trafalgar before they had to return to their coaches. So don't "average" from a falsehood!

@ApostateEnglishman

yes the thread has been full of related commentary on the Met's ludicrous estimates - which was also why I linked to the Guardian's video to offer some more direct evidence