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Tofu Golem 1d ago

@arstechnica
If you purchase and consume "raw" dairy products, you don't deserve good health.

Michael Maguire 🇨🇦 🇬🇧🇨🇭🇮🇹1d ago

@tofugolem @arstechnica I thought, "but wait, don't Europeans eat raw cheese all the time?"

Apparently yes, and they(we) get sick from it https://www.anses.fr/en/content/raw-milk-cheeses-what-are-associated-health-risks-and-what-preventive-measures-can-be-taken

Raw-milk cheeses: What are the associated health risks and what preventive measures can be taken? | Anses - Agence nationale de sécurité sanitaire de l’alimentation, de l’environnement et du travail

Salmonella, enterohaemorrhagic E. coli, Listeria monocytogenes – a wide range of bacteria can be found in the raw-milk cheeses and other raw-milk dairy products we consume. These are sometimes involved in cases of food poisoning, leading them to be recalled or withdrawn from the market. In order to further improve the control of these risks, ANSES has identified the types of raw-milk cheeses on which efforts should focus as a priority.

Solitha 1d ago

@tofugolem Many of the victims are children. They don't deserve this.

Tofu Golem 23h ago

@solitha
Their parents won't be prosecuted, so there's not a damn thing I can do about that.

Solitha 21h ago

@tofugolem There is, actually. You can have sympathy.

Not everyone is a well-informed consumer. And now we have disinformation coming from the highest "health" authorities in the country.

It doesn't help that human nutrition is a low-quality bunch of guesswork and recommendations change on a whim.

No one deserves poor health because they've been propagandized and/or lack the information to make informed decisions.

Especially kids.

Tofu Golem 21h ago

@solitha
If the government isn't willing to persecuted the parents, there isn't a damn thing you or I can do that will make a difference.

Mocking the parents for being bad parents may be the best we can do.

Solitha 21h ago

@tofugolem Since it seems you didn't read a word I wrote, I don't see the point in continuing.

Fare thee well.

@solitha
I read it.

Children are being harmed because you are more worried about hurting the feelings of adults with delusions of adequacy than you are with the children and that is worrying.

@tofugolem @solitha You're a disgusting human being.

@joe @solitha
“Your boos mean nothing. I've seen what makes you cheer.”

Children are being harmed because you want to reflect basic science most people learn in elementary school. You are bad and you should feel bad.

Joe Alexander 11h ago

@tofugolem @solitha you're literally hallucinating...

Desert Square Gardener 1d ago

@tofugolem
That's not a very inclusive attitude.
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Tofu Golem 23h ago

@desertsquare @arstechnica
Wow.

I'm sorry, but the Germ Theory of Disease is true whether or not you want to believe it.

This isn't about being inclusive, but about being sentient and being able to engage with reality.

Desert Square Gardener 22h ago

@tofugolem @arstechnica now you're projecting and redirecting.

Tofu Golem 21h ago

@desertsquare @arstechnica
Oh, I'm projecting?

In what way am I projecting?

This should be good. I love it when you primitives pretend to be scientifically literate. Always entertaining.

Desert Square Gardener 21h ago

@tofugolem @arstechnica now you've become demeaning and used a slur. "You primitives," is fighting words to us indigenous people of the southwest. However, I'm a nice guy and will allow your insult to slide.

@desertsquare @arstechnica
Sorry, I thought you were a white conservative.

Raw dairy products are dangerous. Please be careful. It's not something you want to me around with if you can avoid it.

@desertsquare @arstechnica
I want to stress again that I use words like “primitive” to describe science-rejecting white conservatives PRECISELY because of their attitudes about you.

Desert Square Gardener 11h ago

@tofugolem
I don't believe that you were trying to be racially insensitive. I looked at your profile, you're a good person. Maybe a little rough around the edges, but so am I. Growing up in colonial occupied America has made me this way.
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Tofu Golem 8h ago

@desertsquare @arstechnica
I have a habit of throwing their rhetoric back in their faces. I mean, we're talking about people who self-prescribed horse dewormer during a pandemic on the advice of a real estate mogul with the vocabulary of a 5th grader.

If that's not primitive and modernity-rejecting, what is?

Desert Square Gardener 11h ago

@tofugolem @arstechnica I have a little bit of white in me, but I'm definitely no conservative. At least not in the European-imported political ideology sense. I accept your apology, thank you. It's okay to have disagreements, as long as it ends in mutual respect. Like this conversation.

Tofu Golem 9h ago

@desertsquare @arstechnica
I've spent most of my life getting into arguments with white anti-science idiots. I'm sure you know the kind I'm talking about.

The things they say do incredible damage in the world, from climate change to the measles outbreak in Samoa.

Desert Square Gardener 10h ago

@tofugolem
You have a point with raw dairy. Most of the people I interact with are Indigenous; most are lactose intolerant. Me, I grew up on raw dairy. I'm in top shape for a man who's a half century old. Although, that's me and my angle.
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@tofugolem @desertsquare @arstechnica social media would be better if you left it

@joe @desertsquare @arstechnica
I'm sorry.

You are superior because you are white, and you are more expert in science than the scientists.

There. Was that better?

Or do I need to offer you more praise for rejecting basic science most people learn in elementary school?

Joe Alexander 11h ago

@tofugolem @desertsquare @arstechnica wow you are lost

Tofu Golem 9h ago

@joe @desertsquare @arstechnica
I'm so sorry.

Did I not praise you enough for being white?

Should I do a Nazi salute? Would that placate your wounded pride?

soya666 1d ago

@tofugolem

If you purchase and consume dairy products, you don't deserve good health.

🍻 Alexander 🇪🇺1d ago

@arstechnica Meanwhile, plenty of tasty safe cheddar is made in Cheddar, England.

Jen X. Zerofux 1d ago

@MostlyHarmless @arstechnica the only cheddar made in Cheddar is made with raw milk (Cheddar Gorge Cheese and it's delicious). It's not the milk, it's the oversight as this sort of thing doesn't happen in other places with raw milk cheese as a norm.

Cy 1d ago

Yes! This. Cheese is full of microorganisms. That's why it tastes like cheese. Raw cheese makes zero sense, because all cheese is cultured in some way. The only question is whether you're taking care to discourage toxic bacteria in your culture.

The only pasteurized cheese is American cheese, and nobody likes it. Nobody.

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@teruterubozu @arstechnica

🍻 Alexander 🇪🇺1d ago

My point! Cheddar Gorge Cheese is indeed delicious.

Plenty of French cheese is made with raw milk too.

Phil Thane ✅1d ago

@teruterubozu @MostlyHarmless @arstechnica It seems the USA allows poor hygiene standards and technical remediation, see also chlorinated chicken and washed eggs that have to stored in a fridge. Europe prefers to enforce hygiene rules. This produces a better product and is better for animal welfare.

Ryan M 1d ago

@arstechnica this is one case I hope they get sued into oblivion. Raw Farm are maniacs.

squelch41 1d ago

@arstechnica Again, science shows that it doesnt matter what you believe, what is real will smack you between the eyes

Janie Karma S 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏿1d ago

@arstechnica

Rev. "J" Step 1d ago

@arstechnica Raw milk doesn't kill people, the bacteria kills people!

patxi 1d ago

@JStep @arstechnica
Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.

Xenotar 1d ago

@arstechnica "The FDA highlighted that the people sickened in this outbreak are young, with over half being less than 5 years old. Children under 5 are particularly vulnerable to severe complications, including HUS, from the type of E. coli in this outbreak, which is a Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, or STEC."

https://mastodon.online/@Joy_intl/116303122072450394

Joy_intl 1d ago

@arstechnica this goes along with my observation-

Sascha (Betinem)1d ago

@arstechnica ... Here we go again... To avoid this and explotation #govegan ... Rage answers in. 3... 2... 1...

Old Man in the Shoe 1d ago

@Betinem you're actually trying to rage bait?

@jenzi @Betinem mention vegan & the rage comes...

Neo Ehproque 1d ago

@Seitansbraten @jenzi @Betinem not ragebait at all
https://mastodon.social/@soya666/116304919140374198

@ehproque @jenzi @Betinem are you vegan?

Neo Ehproque 1d ago

@Seitansbraten @jenzi @Betinem just for clarification, I'm not the one who thinks that children who don't have a say on their diet deserve serious illness, the person I quoted is.

@ehproque @jenzi @Betinem no children have a say on what's on their plates - but if asked, most of them would prefer to avoid animal exploitation.

And science proved once more that a vegan diet is at least as good as an omnivor, sometimes even better because vegan parents of course a very keen on nourish their children well

Ntropic 1d ago

@Seitansbraten @ehproque @jenzi @Betinem in his link somebody wishes people get sick if they consume dairy products. That includes non Vegan children.

@Ntropic @ehproque @jenzi @Betinem I know. So? Only proofs that vegan also can be assholes in some parts 🤷

Sascha (Betinem)1d ago

@Seitansbraten @Ntropic @ehproque @jenzi sadly, but true. But trying to safe and not harm the most valunerable should be mandatory, even for assholes. 😉

Old Man in the Shoe 21h ago

@Betinem @Seitansbraten @Ntropic @ehproque where are all those rage answers?

Sascha (Betinem)21h ago

@jenzi @Seitansbraten @Ntropic @ehproque so there is a passiv one

Old Man in the Shoe 21h ago

@Betinem @Seitansbraten @Ntropic @ehproque i see the gaslighting and hand waving away of bad behavior but not the rage... seems we're lying about it now but not apologizing

@Seitansbraten this is your response to wishing death on kids - to gatekeep about who is/isn't vegan -- you have a real sick agenda

@Betinem @arstechnica Why would someone rage about this?