In rural Australia in the 1940s, my mother had rocks thrown at her and was branded a 'communist' because her father, a school headmaster, advocated for establishing a public library.

In the Canadian province where I now reside, the Catholic Church controlled libraries -- and thus access to information -- until the 1960s.

We forget how recent the democratisation of knowledge is -- how transformative such institutions were and how hard-won.

We should not part with them easily.

@MelMScow Most country towns in Australia had a “Mechanics Hall” or institute with a library from the 1830s onwards & cities like Melbourne had grand libraries as signs of their wealth, progress & ambition. (A literate society including the working class was a goal from very early on.) Im sorry your mother & her father copped that, but it was probably unusual that they didn’t already have a library.
@Susan60 Valuable as they were, I'm not sure that the Mechanics Institutes were quite the same thing as publicly-funded libraries. I'm also not sure that they were quite as ubiquitous as you contend, but am perfectly happy to be proved wrong.

@MelMScow *nodds in agreement*

#KnowledgeIsFree and must be kept free by all means necessary!

@MelMScow In Chicago when I was a child nuns went into libraries and ripped cards of banned books out of the card catalogs.
@MelMScow we should not part with them at all

@MelMScow

All because the ignorant are easier to control…

@MelMScow
We should not part with them at all.
@MelMScow During the Spanish Civil War (1936-39) and the fascist repression afterwards, thousands of public school teachers were executed by firing squads. Then there came 40 years of Catholic-controlled education, which still is pretty much alive in the education system, even after all these years of democracy.
@MelMScow I was born in Romania during the communist regime, when all books, music, cinema and all forms of art coming from the West were banned
You could sometimes source something through the black market, which in my part of the country was run by the Hungarians
Being found in possession of a prohibited book though would mark you as a dissident and bring persecution on you, your family and everyone you knew, with very dire consequences
I am 38 years old
@MelMScow @somcak I cannot agree with this more. Libraries are the last free public, indoor spaces in the US. We’ll lose so much when we lose them.

Censorship can come in many shapes, I'm afraid.

The Catholic public library in my village is offering books that apparently are getting banned in public school libraries of the democratic state of Florida.

Example: Margaret Atwood's Handmaid Tales.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/margaret-atwood-handmaids-tale-virginia-book-ban-library-removal/673013/

https://webopac.bistum-muenster.de/reken/index.asp?detmediennr=1

I'm not assuming church-managed libraries would have offered such literature in the 1960s. But would state-run/ municipal public libraries have?

Who’s Afraid of The Handmaid’s Tale?

To those who seek to stop young people from reading <em>The Handmaid’s Tale</em>: Good luck with that. It’ll only make them want to read it more.

The Atlantic
@MelMScow How easily we take our freedoms for granted, until they're gone. :-(

@MelMScow
The irony is that this would probably happen in America TODAY (being called a #Communist for wanting a library)...

...despite the fact Founding Father Ben Franklin founded the nation's first public library. 🤦‍♂️

@MelMScow
The Catholic Church is a cult.They've always hidden knowledge from the people. Just like conservatives, keep them stupid like cattle, use them up and sell the bones for fertilizer.
@MelMScow Quebec amiright? Schools were all religious when I grew up.
@jgordon They didn't transition away from religious school boards until 1997!!

@MelMScow

I certainly didn't realise this.

I knew of the Nazi action on books pre WW2, but nothing else.

@MelMScow ¨democratisation of knowledge"?? That is still a niche "what you can get away with" - in the 2000's google books was forbidden of making acessinble the efforts of its massive digitalization of out-of-print books, and right now, in 2023, the Internet Archive is on the loosing end on a similar action.
@MelMScow we also forget, actually ignore, the push to educate the public wasn’t so they were informed but to educatate/train the workforce during growing industrialization for the benefit of the wealthy to increase production and profit. The system still functions to evaluate the knowledge and competence of employees rather than for the personal growth and self fulfillment of citizens. It is still controlled but by a different faction.
@MelMScow I work at a rural community college & had a chance some yrs back to talk with one of the people who'd originally advocated for building it. Told me he met a LOT of resistance from the economic leaders at the time, who wanted to keep their labor force ignorant & captive. He kept telling them "It's 1967! They have cars! They'll just leave anyway, & then you'll be stuck with the ones who aren't smart enough to leave!"
@MelMScow later told this story to the fundraising guy at my college. He just nodded sagely & said that's how it was everywhere around that time. (He'd had his first higher-ed grant-writing job around that same time.) So, yeah, alas, there does seem to always be an influential segment of society that wants to keep people from educating themselves.
@MelMScow Why have some people throughout history been opposed to open access to information? Let people decide for themselves. If we as a society are ever going to advance it is going to be through education and open access to information. All forms of it books, internet, libraries, and forms information media that hasn't even been invented or thought of yet
@MelMScow Knowledge is power was the thinking. Just for the few.

@MelMScow This is one of the many reasons why I think we should be a lot less welcoming of the Vatican's emissaries.

Theirs is a fundamentally malicious organization and they should be treated as such.

@MelMScow The Catholic church is always controlled information. They have some of the oldest text ever made at the Vatican and they won't allow anyone to see them

Hugz & xXx

@melissabeartrix @MelMScow Prolly includes a book title 'How to Fool Most of the People Most of the Time'

@taur10 @MelMScow and "how to horde all the world's art, literature and of course money"

Hugz & xXx

@melissabeartrix @taur10 For a city state of fewer than a thousand people, they have done quite well for themselves, haven't they?

(I like your sign-offs, by the way!)

@MelMScow @taur10

Oh, yeah they have done very well, too well and off the back of greed and hate ... Pout

Blushing ... Hugz

Hugz & xXx

@MelMScow In Chicago into the 1960's, nuns removed the cards of banned books from the library card files so people couldn't find the books.
@stoicmike Unbelievable! So insidious!
I know around here, the libraries (and thus access to information) are heavily controlled by the government. As a result, libraries suck, employees are cops, activism is dead, and everything is all for the children.

They're still better than... aaaanything else in the USA, but yeah. Totalitarian central control of information repositories is not a good thing, even if you dress it up as being 4kidz.
@MelMScow if libraries were not valuable, authoritarians would not be trying to remove and restrict them.

@MelMScow Nor should we forget that's how the internet started, full of Enlightenment values of education for all and copyleft ideas.

Before Apple Facebook Google publishers and more recent hangers-on were allowed to fence it in and try to own everything and trade us to the highest bidders.

We've already gone badly backward. We're already seeing how stupid-making those backward changes are.

@quixote You make a very good point.
LB: thread is a year old, but new to me and has a lot of history we should be teaching.
MMS (@[email protected])

In rural Australia in the 1940s, my mother had rocks thrown at her and was branded a 'communist' because her father, a school headmaster, advocated for establishing a public library. In the Canadian province where I now reside, the Catholic Church controlled libraries -- and thus access to information -- until the 1960s. We forget how recent the democratisation of knowledge is -- how transformative such institutions were and how hard-won. We should not part with them easily.

mas.to
@MelMScow And why the symbolism of book burning is so powerful. Where books burn, people burn.
@MelMScow As much as the US is messed up, we also fail to appreciate what we have had right. Sanitized history is a double edged sword.
@MelMScow @Beachbum Aw yes, you must live in Quebec. I have some familial connection there, and I always thought that even in the present day it was, well, different? I know the Catholic Church did pretty much run things until 1960. I would never choose to live there. Not because I’m a Francophobe, it’s just not a good fit.

@Thumper1964 @Beachbum

There's an awful lot of good here, and in many ways Québec is consistently in advance of the rest of Canada in respect to social programmes and social conscience. There's still a lot to be reckoned with as regards the historical role of the Church, though.

I'm pretty sure most Québécois would regard Tennessee as pretty 'different' also -- though the preferred term here is 'distinct' 😉 .