An EV will consume fewer fossil fuel resources than an infernal-combusted equivalent over its perhaps 10 to 20 year lifetime.

But most of the roughly 4 tonnes of CO2 it will generate just to come to market will be in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. And this bit matters more than the first.

Somewhat less fossil fuel is better than nothing. But we need to be heading towards *radically* less.

How shall we do that?
https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/116294326872514865

…FWIW, here are some thoughts:

Massively invest in electrified public transport and distribution systems, especially those for food. Use human power as much as possible for ‘last mile(s)’ delivery*.

Do this ahead of radically disincentivising private vehicle ownership. Make it progressively punitively expensive over relatively few years.

Massively incentivise producing the lightest vehicles possible.

*Other than our own bodies, the lightest, most efficient vehicle known to us is the bicycle

…At the same time, massively incentivise fewer food miles. Ramp up that pricing structure over as few years as possible at the same time as radically investing in community farming.

Somewhere in this mix commission content creators and broadcasters to produce rigorous but fun educational content that is honest about where we are…

…The massive reduction in private vehicle ownership will put millions of tonnes of steel and other precious resources into scrap supply chains.

Anticipate this. Build out the lowest carbon means of pushing those refactored resources into electrification and decarbonisation pathways heavily weighted towards community-owned power generation

…Help the public understand that, given where are, this work will not be done in our lifetimes. There will be a lower rung on the energy ladder we must go to for centuries.

But that this will bring timeless sustainable rewards. More conviviality, better tasting and more nutritious food, more music, more art. Things that don’t require fossil fuels at all and never have

…Of course, a public hooked on energy-blind convenience (yes that includes me) is not ready for such thoughts.

But one re-educated by intermittency and high prices may come to better understand that the game is up

@urlyman Wonderful, simple, doable, sensible degrowth. So it will be fought against and lied about tooth and nail. But we must never stop saying it, repeating it, demanding it. Or our grandkids will rightfully say SHAME ON YOU! You KNEW you were wrecking our lives and you did it anyway. FOR SHAME!
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If you’re going to reduce food miles, you also have to incentivise seasonal produce. For example, for UK consumers in winter Spanish tomatoes have a lower carbon footprint than English ones, because of lower greenhouse heating requirements.
@urlyman private vehicle ownership really was a mistake…
@mpospese @urlyman Well, mass heavy-transport vehicle (cars) ownership for sure, especially infernal-combustion-engined ones. Electric and normal bicycles, and very small/light 4-wheel cargo vehicles, I would argue a case for.
@brad @urlyman Bicycles, of course. But even electric cars have many of the same problems as ICE cars: lots of CO2 to manufacture, parking, streets, underfunding of public transportation, hostile to pedestrians and cyclists, worse city centers, accidents/deaths, etc.

@mpospese @urlyman Yes, like I said - heavy-transport vehicles. Anything weighing more than ~800kg, so you're looking at golf buggy sizes of vehicle, or a (Leyland) Mini.

There are good arguments for their being available, not least of which would be improving access generally for disabled people and those with limited mobility (long COVID and ME sufferers among others).

I think it's insane that a vehicle weighing 1700kg can be considered a "small" vehicle.

@mpospese @urlyman The magic comes with excellent public transport. When it's reliable enough and cheap enough and efficient enough, people make the obvious choice.

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Agreed.

Reminds me of the ‘Use Less guide to transport’: https://www.uselessgroup.org/about-us/our-vision/use-less-live-well/transport

A Use Less guide to transport | The Use Less Group

To a first approximation, all modes of transport lead to approximately the same greenhouse emissions for each kilogramme-kilometre (see Figure 1). This unfamiliar unit is important – the energy required to move people and things, and the consequent emissions is a function of two main variables – the weight and the distance, and of course the weight includes the weight of the

@urlyman ironically, this is «useless»: i don’t build cars, can’t directly follow advice :-)
@brad @mpospese @urlyman it should be entirely possible to create a efficient, reliable vehicles that can carry reasonable sized loads, run on a rechargeable battery, and aren't themselves especially bulky or heavy.

Wait, did I just reinvent the milk float?
@jetlagjen @mpospese @urlyman Add in near-silent running (certainly compared with anything powered by burning stuff) and I think you have indeed 😂
@brad @mpospese @urlyman but wouldn't it be a better starting point for general use EVs than the current almost monster truck offerings?
@jetlagjen @mpospese @urlyman Oh, I wasn't saying that like it's a bad thing. Milk floats are a great example of a tool fitting its intended use perfectly, and with pretty minor adaptation would be an excellent starting point for a true general-use EV.

And to build those electrified public transport systems to last 50-100 or more years instead of 10 or 20. The systems part is important: maintenance is important but is often cut as an operating expense, while capital expenses are magically depreciated away. We can't afford this wastefulness.

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@hamishb @urlyman a lot of electrified transport systems' lifespans are already longer than appreciated althoigh some bits need replacement simply based on usage. However, totally agree cutting/avoiding maintenance is a folly as the medium term costs are often far higher than they should be due to accelorated wear or early failure not noticed durongp planned maintenance cycles