nojhan, Cassandre de l’analyse systémique2d ago

Comme les mainteneurs de NextCloud Office n'ont pas prêté attention aux arguments contre leur décision d'utiliser Microsoft-OOXML comme format par défaut, j'ai fait une pull-request avec le code qui permet d'avoir le format OpenDocument par défaut :
https://github.com/nextcloud/richdocuments/pull/5516
Je vous encourage fortement à retooter, à voter et à commenter sous cette PR, qui sera plus difficile à ignorer qu'une issue « résolue ».

Edit : le mainteneur (décidemment nul en gestion de comm) a fermé la PR et redirigé les gens vers l’issue, qui elle reste ouverte aux votes et commentaires ↴
https://github.com/nextcloud/richdocuments/issues/4812#issuecomment-4129406883

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fix(format): makes OpenDocument the default format by nojhan · Pull Request #5516 · nextcloud/richdocuments

This reverts commit 8b464b6 by setting "od[fp]" instead of "ooxml" as a default. Following several downvotes and arguments against making the Microsoft-controlled format OOXML a...

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Since the NextCloud Office maintainers have not taken into account the arguments against their decision to use Microsoft OOXML as the default format, I submitted a pull request with code that sets OpenDocument as the default format:
https://github.com/nextcloud/richdocuments/pull/5516
I strongly encourage you to retweet, upvote, and comment on this PR, which will be harder to ignore than a “resolved” issue.

Edit: The maintainer (who is clearly terrible at managing comm) has closed the PR and directed people to the issue, which remains open for votes and comments↴
https://github.com/nextcloud/richdocuments/issues/4812#issuecomment-4129406883

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fix(format): makes OpenDocument the default format by nojhan · Pull Request #5516 · nextcloud/richdocuments

This reverts commit 8b464b6 by setting "od[fp]" instead of "ooxml" as a default. Following several downvotes and arguments against making the Microsoft-controlled format OOXML a...

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Show threadnojhan, Cassandre de l’analyse systémique2d ago
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Show threadnojhan, Cassandre de l’analyse systémique1d ago

Maintainers answered: they will not approve the feature and will stick to OOXML, because (imaginary, IMHO) users would "complain".

I think this is a big mistake, and that their very real (angry) users are going to actually complain.

Show threadBeurt1d ago

@nojhan
Seems really a stupid move when the biggest European country just decided to avoid OOXML in favor of the previous default ODF.

Technically, it also stupid since the internal model of the document of the suite IS the previous ODF format so OOXML will be converted at input and output with loss of course.

Show threadnojhan, Cassandre de l’analyse systémique1d ago
@Beurt True. The code reflects that, it's full of workarounds for OOXML.
Show threadLicho2d ago

@nojhan i was very confused when after the first installation it created .docx document for me. I thought I have misconfigured something. It was the first time I even encountered the OOXML as a term. I didn't know that's the setting I had to change. It took me two days before I figured it out, (also because internet search is so enshittified now, I was getting only irrelevant results)

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Show threadWuzzy2d ago
@nojhan @tdforg @libreoffice @nextcloud Not all heroes wear capes.
Show threadnojhan, Cassandre de l’analyse systémique1d ago
@Wuzzy @tdforg @libreoffice @nextcloud But most of vilains refuses to debate… (maintainers closed the PR).
Show threadROllerozxa1d ago
@nojhan Well, looks like it has already been shut down...
Show threadnojhan, Cassandre de l’analyse systémique1d ago
@ROllerozxa This is a call to act, IMHO. Note that they fear complaints from users. Just saying.
Show threadROllerozxa1d ago
@nojhan I guess so
Show threadEF1d ago
@nojhan @tdforg @libreoffice @nextcloud #nextcloud seems to often not care about its users and makes illogical choices. It is starting to become a liability whereas it was once an asset.
Show threadnojhan, Cassandre de l’analyse systémique1d ago
@EF @tdforg @libreoffice @nextcloud It’s very often the case that engineers do not understand/care about commercial strategies. And so far only engineers have been involved in the debate. Maybe their "internal discussion" will reach someone aware of what having an open-source community really means.
Show threadEF1d ago

@nojhan @tdforg @libreoffice @nextcloud feels more like a corporate strategy where a direction has been agreed (due to influance, money... ) as the "engineer" won't engage unless those asking the question are a large paying coroorate customer.

The respomses recieved in the past were highly dismissive and if am entity is not even willing to listen and disciss...