G. Wozniak
CassandrichHeads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
https://alpaca.gold/@seldo/116286099611905851
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
DB@lawyersgunsnmoney AFAICT he made a bot you hand your social media credentials over to and it logs in to all your accounts, scrapes everything, and passes it to an LLM service to "summarize" (and keep for training). Utter clownery. Normally I would just block, but I'm screenshotting and sharing this because it's a privacy threat to everyone.
Yvan ー イボん 🗺️ 
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney he them goes and insults everyone here who values privacy even the slightest to top it all off.
Then criticized the Fediverse and pointing reason why he left.
Just typical harassment/abuser "You are the problem, not me! It's all your fault."
GunChleoc@YvanDaSilva @dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney Thanks for flagging up which user it is. Blocked from my server along with the IP address of his prod instance of the tool.
The Doctor@gunchleoc @YvanDaSilva @dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney What IP is he using? I'd like to add them to my .htaccess blocks as well (because I don't trust people like that to scrape more than a socnet feed.
Johnny von Awesome@drwho @gunchleoc @YvanDaSilva @dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney Don't block him with .htaccess, redirect him to his own Mastodon profile to really mess with his data. Lol.
@drwho @mek2600 @gunchleoc @YvanDaSilva @lawyersgunsnmoney Unless you have users on your instance using his AI-scraper client, he's not making any http connections to your instance.
He and his app's users are following you from their own instances, so your posts get federated there, and then they're letting the app log in to their instances and scrape everything from there.
The only use of IP blocking is if you're worried you have local users who might try out his app.
@dalias @drwho @gunchleoc @YvanDaSilva @lawyersgunsnmoney Good point. I forget that fedi isn't the typical client/server design I'm used to thinking about.
@dalias @mek2600 @gunchleoc @YvanDaSilva @lawyersgunsnmoney I should have said - on my website and associated stuff.
@dalias I *very*much appreciate your sharing this info. It’s people like like this, stealing and monetizing Fedi people’s info (leaving aside he’s an entitled douche). I’m blocking him right after I ‘share my feelings”
For awareness:
@mastodonmigration
For awareness:
@mastodonmigration
wyatt@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney any reason not to block the entirety of alpaca dot gold? without me having to go to check
@wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association. 🤷
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney there are three users on my instance, two of which are active, and one of that subset is me and the other is much more block-happy than I am
mirabilos@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney insufficient context, though: he made it a Mastodon client, so you have to block everyone using it, which is not discoverable
🌸 lumi-nhac 
@dalias this person really does not understand what consent is, does he?
ck0
Iarlaiṫ
Dopes The Frogman@dalias done. Don't need yet another weirdo wanting to scrape my sac for info
Faraiwe
tired@YvanDaSilva @xri Kinda, but I think the point is kinda to be able to dismiss people's opinions as whatever the slop-extruder claims is the "summary" of them, but pretend you considered them.
@YvanDaSilva @xri Like, if you have techbro brain and someone in your replies says something insightful in a way you haven't heard before, it has a chance of breaking thru and making you reconsider things.
But if you get it "summarized" by replacing it with a blend of the closest commonly-repeated stuff from your corpus, you're gonna interpret it as "oh yeah, just more of the same complaints I've already dismissed".
It's basically "turning your audience into yes-men as a service", which sounds like his peers would love it.
Looking for explanations…Thanks for the tips. Blocked.
Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲
F4GRX Sébastien
princess pancake 
@dalias that sounds like "blocking" here means not appearing on someone else's feed
The Mastodon API is publicly available and blocking the author of the app or the instance won't do anything
The Mastodon API is publicly available and blocking the author of the app or the instance won't do anything
RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116289558240910154
@natty In the case of this app, it scrapes from its user's feed, so if you block its user, you will not be in the feed it scrapes.
These techbros want us to believe their "it's silly to have norms if the machine can't enforce them" bullshit. Here, whatever blocking we can do is a statement of our disapproval of their attempts to bypass our consent and reduce the damage, not a surrender of our standing to demand they stop doing things that technical measures fundamentally can't stop.
sarah tonin 
@SRAZKVT @dalias we have a flag for this https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#indexable but consent is not real I guess
@natty @SRAZKVT No, we do not have a flag for this. "Indexable" means I want people to be able to find my toots in search results. Not that I want to allow corporations to ingest them into their slop regurgitation machines and mimic my writing style but saying things I didn't and would never say and present those things as "summaries" of what I said.
Roknrol
Luisf
Queer Naèl@Barmaid on est d'accord que la personne + son instance + ses alias et les alias de son mari sont/vont être bloqués ? 😬
Barmaid@Lisoo on va bloquer les utilisateurs connus de l'application en question mais ça ne va pas suffire.
--milia, admin
Shalien
Julie Moynat@juliemoynat @Barmaid @Lisoo Donc il ne sais meme pas comment marche son propre truc vu qu'il passe par l'oauth pour acéder aux données, soit y a deux versions , la version live qui utilise l'oauth et l'autre qui scrap , soit il as vibe codé le machin et ne sais meme pas comment ca marche.
Dans tous les cas, pour mastodon faut autoriser l'outil à accéder au compte (meme chose qu'une application mobile) donc c'est aux gens de brancher leurs trois neuronnes.
@shalien @juliemoynat @Barmaid oui mais du coup si quelqu'un ne "branche pas ses 3 neurones" et qu'un de nos toot apparaît dans son feed, c'est notre toot qui se fait manger par l'IA aussi, donc bon :(
J'avoue être paumé'e sur quoi faire de plus, la situation me stresse.
J'avoue être paumé'e sur quoi faire de plus, la situation me stresse.
@Lisoo @shalien @juliemoynat Bloquer un user-agent ce n'est pas une fonctionnalité de mastodon mais si jamais le créateur de l'application en utilise un à l'avenir on pourra négocier avec notre hébergeur pour mettre en place un blocage.
Idéalement il faudrait des outils de modération des applications inscrites sur l'instance (https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/27478), actuellement pas moyen d'en suspendre une ou d'éviter de nouvelles inscriptions c'est complètement open bar
--milia, admin
effika@dalias never have I wanted to see how many times an account was blocked as badly as I do now
Mike Spooner
Frost, wolf of winter 🐺🎄
@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
@dalias I just instance blocked their server (the perks of selfhosting!) but that doesn't help if anyone _else_ uses this shit.
@IceWolf Of course anyone who can read them *can* do that. That's always possible. Just like, despite the movie industry pretending all the hellish DRM they impose makes it impossible, anyone can record movies off Netflix just by pointing a camera at their screen. It's impossible to keep someone from copying and sharing copies of something they can see.
This doesn't mean it's socially acceptable or legal. What the AI companies are doing and what the people like seldo feeding our data to them are doing is absolutely illegal, unethical, and a deep violation of privacy and consent. And they need to experience consequences for it.
Ilusënn
WishGate
jiub 
mx alex tax1a - 2020 (6)@dalias shocking, the guy who sold out NPM is on board the slop train
Hashbangperl