Bloody hell this is grim.

Want to get an idea of how much of modern discourse is infected by Epstein? Of how hard it is for your male child to grow naturally into a well rounded human (in terms of media and academic based discourse) while not feeling disenfranchised by the childhood they had and as a result molding into some kind of clump of aggressive male centred horde?
Nothing is academic anymore.
https://newlinesmag.com/argument/the-academic-justification-for-male-supremacy/

The Academic Justification for Male Supremacy

From Noam Chomsky to Larry Summers, elite intellectuals shared more than they want to admit with Jeffrey Epstein

New Lines Magazine
@Silversnapples fucking Pinker. Awful person.
@FknHannu I'm still grinding my teeth at Chomsky. I have about 6 university essays I would like to retract from my degree studies because I just dont want to reference his work any longer. He deserves no damn loyalties.
@Silversnapples @FknHannu That may be so but he did do good by calling out what's wrong with LLMs structurally.

@bms48 @FknHannu I'm done with "buts". Absolutely not attacking you but... see what happens there. One negates the other. He defended a child molester and trafficker.

Im out of buts for misogynistic pedophile enablers.

That read very harshly. It becomes more and more clear that everyone who knew Epstein knew what he was and many were very involved in the enforcing a misogynistic structure.

Im all for *deconstruction* of that. Its a dark read of an article. Long and dark. I'll be reading it again.

As for LLMs I am not as versed in this area but for every corner of theory theres always someone else with a theory and whose successes weren't connected to a group so wholly intent on angling the world view for manipulation.

Meh. Its a horrible set of discoveries in an article. Thats all I can really say. I cant hear "buts" when the taint of it is riddled with perversion and child molestation.

@Silversnapples @FknHannu Whilst I agree with some of the points you raise, and have narrowly escaped some of the vile evil you mention in long distant childhood history, Mu. Chomsky speaks truth to power even still. Wherein does the "mens rea" reside? No one is perfect and there is no such thing as a free lunch (thanks Robert Heinlein). Specifically: https://chomsky.info/20230503-2/
Noam Chomsky Speaks on What ChatGPT Is Really Good For

The Noam Chomsky Website.

@bms48 @FknHannu there is really one point. I am simply not, at this time, in relation to this topic accepting no exceptions for knowingly maintaining connections with a boys club which at its darkest core was abusing children.

Thats really all there is for me to say. History has shown often that success and innovation are enabled or hindered depending from which majority or minority a theorist, scientist, artist, stems.

How different centuries of theory could have been if they hadn't been male centric. We can try and quote a way out for any angle.

I go back to my personal point. If really like to retract several university essays and rewrite them using different theorists.

@Silversnapples @FknHannu Well OK. Cite @HalvarFlake instead, he hit the nail on the head for me computationally vs #LLM before I found what Chomsky said (and his argument is partly from biology so much stronger), but Chomsky is #Chomsky (Prof. computational linguistics) and no amount of dancing around the issue is going to change that. The revisionist approach to history does not work out well in my experience. Some try to airbrush the Nazis out of history. Germany today doesn't. #TAANSTAFL

@bms48 @FknHannu @HalvarFlake cite for which purpose? My essays? I think we veer in a different direction.
You don't know the nature of my studies or the reasons why I would like no royalties for citation to be attributed to less than worthy theorists I value.

I think there's a specific point that's being missed because we aren't looking at this through the same lense. I would happily cite references I source as a natural part of revision. Given it's not possible to revise undergraduate essays 15 years after the event, my toot was merely a toot of personal regret. My own.