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Marco d'Itri 
The systemd project is under attack by a trolling campaign orchestrated by fascist elements, accusing it of implementing "age verification".
I wrote more about the facts on my blog: https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_473 .
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pepsy@rfc1036 Lettura interessante. Sullo stesso argomento consiglio anche di leggere https://agelesslinux.org
medium rare bird@rfc1036 this seems like an extremely disingenuous way to describe the state of affairs. you're saying fascist trolls are opposed to mechanical infrastructure for categorizing persons?
I think some good faith is needed on both sides of this exchange
Paul Wouters 🇪🇺🇨🇦@rfc1036 you lost me at calling those people nazis. Like literally i stopped reading your article after “campaign orchestrated by fascist elements” and “the free software Nazi bar crowd”. And I was one of the people acknowledging systemd was already taking over /etc/passwd before age verification law.
The biggest problem of systemd has always been how it treats its users. You show nothing has changed.
@letoams Calling out literal fascists should be the less contentious part of my post. I strongly suspect that you are not aware of the context.
@rfc1036 and you are still blaming others, eg me the reader of your explanation, of not getting your explanation. Instead of say, clarifying your article. Again, the user/reader is blamed …… It is the systemd way
@letoams I am quite aware that in my post I have not provided details about where this brigading originates, because you deal with trolls by not giving them visibility.
Jason Bowen 🇺🇦@letoams
Same. I don't think people know what the word "fascist" means any more and just use it to mean "activists whose politics I don't like." People trolling a major software project for adding a DOB field in the current political climate aren't fascists or Nazis.
And comparing the systemd DOB entry to the GECOS field is disingenuous trolling itself. I get rage posting when you're pissed off, but if these are genuine thoughts then @rfc1036 isn't someone to take seriously.
truh@rfc1036 sure let's ignore the rightfully concerned privacy advocates and only listen and respond to the Nazi trolls...
Victoria🏳️⚧️@tragivictoria @rfc1036 I'm aware of some of it.
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@rfc1036 Fan of systemd here, albeit one concerned by its direction lately, and yes, I'm aware the DoB field could be interpreted multiple ways.
HOWEVER:
Nobody in my feeds who is concerned about the DoB field can remotely be described as "fascist". The fact you see some of the people complaining on X does not mean the concerns originated with a fascist group, or even on X itself.
The insult doesn't even make any sense. Why would fascists care what systemd is, let alone oppose it being (unintentionally I hope) infrastructure to an age verification system?
The systemd devs chose to implement this feature, and announce it, at a time when everyone is very jumpy about the California law. It was inevitable there would be concerns about systemd implementing something that is a prerequisite to implementing the mandate of that law on GNU/Linux based OSs.
It may be unfortunate timing, and a coincidence (I hope), but that doesn't mean that civil libertarians and anti-fascists (who are 100% of the group on my feeds opposing this) aren't going to be jumpy about it. And systemd's unpopularity in many circles means it does need to treat particularly carefully and make good decisions, looking at the world at large, not just at whatever tech thing it happens to be trying to solve.
Rather than insulting good faith critics, systemd needs to be run by people with a little more awareness of the world at large.
You guys messed this up. Stop insulting those who are worried, and fix it.
bluca@poundquerydotinfo @rfc1036 it's 100% fascist brigading and dogpiling, originating from a certain well-known nazi youtuber. The racist and homophobic abuse (and death threats) I and others have received since he published his attack piece demonstrate it very well, even if one didn't know who these people are until then.
You are just being their useful idiot, and Marco is completely right to call it out for what it actually is.
@rfc1036 Also, contradicting your entire thesis that this is just adding GECOS fields and not compliance with age verification IS THE MERGE ITSELF:
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954
If you genuinely didn't know systemd added the fields for compliance with the two age verification laws (likewise @pid_eins who boosted your original post), could you PLEASE review the policies here? Because you guys literally added it for age verification law compliance, rejected a PR to remove it because of concerns about age verification compliance, and are now stating publicly you didn't add the field for that reason at all. This suggests a serious breakdown in management and policy making.
Laura ✨💜@rfc1036 citation needed as to who's orchestrating it. your citations are the Wikipedia articles for "Nazi Bar" and "Moral Panic".
Where is that idea even coming from that this is orchestrated by fascists? I've seen actual people take issue with it.
Since when are fascists against age verification?
What the fuck is this post?! You're spreading blatant misinformation.
Full Metal Archaeopteryx@laura_fae
I concur—adding a date field 'just because' at this particular moment feels more like a fascist move than people complaining about you doing so
@rfc1036
I concur—adding a date field 'just because' at this particular moment feels more like a fascist move than people complaining about you doing so
@rfc1036
Aurora 🏳️🌈 :Dahlia-Unicode-Pink:@laura_fae @rfc1036 Big agree on wanting more information. I've seen many Fedizens discussing this, and no evidence that the concerns raised about this change are part of a disinformation campaign.
mort@rfc1036 I'm sorry you're being attacked by a trolling campaign orchestrated by fascists, I 100% believe you and that's terrible. However, as someone who's decidedly not a fascist, I'm not thrilled either about systemd implementing features intended to enable age verification (which is what the DoB field is).
If you don't want the field to be associated with age verification, maybe don't introduce it as: "Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws".
Oomfie Snoofies@rfc1036 could you share a few examples of these so called fascist elements? because right now I only see leftists and lgbt people denouncing it. so I'm curious about what you found (I do agree trolling / harassment is a stupid thing to do, however)
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Tael 🔜 AC26
Jay Grant 🏳️⚧️@[email protected] oh fuck off. criticism is not fascism, but I understand to you pathetic fools that someone telling you "no" hurts your little manchild feelings