What is likely to happen when/if trump dies?
It must surely be imminent. He’s not in the best health if the reports about him eating mcdonalds all the time are true. Say he had a heart attack next week… then what? Presumably Vance would take over as actual president, but I can’t imagine anyone being as bad as him. Would the maga movement continue with a different cult leader? Do you think things would meaningfully change?
Vance would accuse Democrats of assassination and impletement martial law and arrest Democrats
It doesn’t matter even if it’s a heart attack
For legal reasons: I want to be clear I do not wish death upon anyone…
But I do wonder what it would look like if a politician choked on a burger and died…
Like imagine how absurd it would be if it happened on live tv
For moral reasons, I want to be clear. I DO wish death upon trump.
I’m not going to be the guy that causes it, but I will happily celebrate that day HARD!
if it happened on live tv
Nah, the beeper people are quick enough not to let this be seen.
Trump is the disposable useful idiot to be the fall guy if the fascist coup fails. Everyone will pretend to sober up with their “it wasn’t us, it was him and we tried to fight it from the inside” story.
The fascist party is still fully present and accounted for, and are learning to exercise their newfound powers with alarming speed. Trump dying fixes nothing. They lose a figurehead, and the idiot fallguy. Their plans don’t stop. If anything they accelerate and intensify because a big escape clause disapears and the cost of failure goes up.
Trump dying fixes nothing.
Well, it could potentially fracture their party between different figures vying to be the next Trump. That’s the only thing it could fix.
The fascists will still be there, you’re absolutely right. However, do not undercut the cult of personality. People not under the spell, can’t/won’t see it but all of this is built off his “charisma”. Their momentum will absolutely falter when he’s no longer around.
Once it happens, we cannot allow for elected members to talk about “coming together” and “moving forward”. These ghouls must be held accountable.
Nothing would change. It should be obvious that Trump isn’t the one making the decisions and neither would be JD Vance.
I wouldn’t even be surprised if there was little attention being given to a funeral. Just as a show of power of how disposable the figure heads are.
They could go the way of a leadership cult they have in north korea, where btw, the title of kim il sung is still technically, officially head of state, even though he’s dead. They simply invented a new position and keep him as eternal big leader. + something with christian nationalism, like “trump is watching over you guys from heaven”.
Maybe I’m too pessimistic too, we’ll see if “they” will allow the mid term elections to take place or how that will go down.
It should be obvious that Trump isn’t the one making the decisions
Oh yes, for about 3-400 of the less important daily decisions, he is 😉
I heard something very fascinating on pod save America this morning: the Maga cultists don’t follow Trump because they worship Trump, they follow Trump because they believe the same things that Trump believes. If some other leader spewed the exact same things, they would follow that person, too.
Really, this is a huge problem for the Republican Party, as all of the Maga cultists would probably break away from the Republican Party and possibly dissolve into a disorganized slurry of right wing crazy. This would leave the Republican Party massively weekend as a result, and most of the independents that voted for Trump in the last election would likely defect to the Democrats.
Trump has built a “broad tent” with support from a lot of different demographics.
I suppose I agree that MAGA cultists support him because they believe the same things. I think it’s more apt to describe it as Trump gives them permission to indulge their shitty beliefs, but I guess that’s the same.
It’s extremely rare for a cult to survive the death of its leader.
The only one I know of is Scientology.
Vance would become POTUS, but he won’t be able to keep MAGA united. Remember Rump is miraculously keeping both pro Israel zionists and anit-semitic neo-nazis together on the same team. As well as others who would be natural enemies. MAGA will collapse. Vance’ll almost certainly loose in '28.
This is my take.
Trump’s death won’t change the shitty people who have elected and continue to support him, but those people will no longer have a focal point.
Among all his shitty traits, he does have the uncanny ability to engender support from shitty people in a way that no one else can emulate.
Vance will be POTUS. He will reverse course on Trump’s dumbassery… withdraw from Iran, hose down Hormuz, water down the tariffs et cetera. He will try to win support from the great unwashed and the oligarchy but will ultimately fail.
I think Vance’s response depends greatly on if he takes direction from his handlers in Heritage Foundation or if he gains an ego and believes he’s the new cult leader. They learned their lesson with Pence who, with the obligatory “fuck Mike Pence”, still wasn’t invested enough to commit treason.
Vance just doesn’t have the twisted charisma Trump has to be the cult guy. Heritage knows it, but they knew he had a shelf-life and only needed to get in and secure their position. The Third Reich didn’t survive Hitler but he wouldn’t let go (and they couldn’t get rid of him) until it was too late. The Soviet Union survived the death of Stalin because nobody after him tried to recreate his larger than life image, they maintained the control that was established under his reign.
If Vance does what he’s told he doesn’t need to be Trump, and if the regime continues to disregard democracy, the courts, and even declining public opinion among conservatives that rode the wave but are now leopard fodder, they don’t need another Trump, just an institution to defend. These fuckers are embedded and will be difficult to remove.
I admit that I’ve never truly understood martyrdom, but I think it’s notable that Trump would get thrown under a thousand busses.
He’s objectively directly responsible for a whole lot of bad stuff. Right now no one wants to blame him for anything because he’s a petulant toddler happy to wield the worlds largest economy and armed forces against you if he feels your grovelling is insufficient.
However, as soon as he’s gone I imagine that dynamic will change dramatically. What’s the benefit of sucking up to someone who can no longer shit in your cornflakes?
Instead the opposite is true - his successors will be heavily motivated to blame everything on Trump.
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