When you talk about people you make them important. I want to think more about who I choose to make important.

Even if you are criticizing someone, burying their bad ideas with logic and all the knives of science you're still making them and their ideas important.

You can expect me to talk about Iain M. Banks more and the questions I have about his work.

It's why it's probably is a good idea to do a critical review of Newitz and their "Terraformers" which I also have questions about.

I'm sick of criticizing people I don't like, you know. Let's argue about cool people instead.

@futurebird Ooh, OK. My starter. I think Iain M. Banks wrote slightly better books as Iain Banks, than Iain M. Banks. Controversial I know.

He wrote my favourite opening line of a book ever.

"It was the day my grandmother exploded"

@eclectech @futurebird The Wasp Factory really really got to me ... can't think of one particular scene without feeling queasy ...
@eclectech @futurebird (which I think is good writing btw but I do find it very difficult to reread that book)

@mherbert @eclectech

I couldn't put it down, but I was NOT having a good time.

@futurebird @mherbert This thread is making me want to reread Banks in general (it is a long while since I have read them) but The Wasp Factory won't be the one I start on, even though it was the first of his I read as an impressionable teen.
@eclectech @futurebird my first was Use of Weapons which I think was a far tamer introduction ...
@mherbert @eclectech @futurebird
I wonder what Banks *really* felt about the Culture? They seem to be at one and the same time both his ideal society, and a warning about what you might end up doing to others in the name of your ideal society.
And do the Minds really value the lives of the humanoids they coexist with or do they merely keep them around as amusing pets?
Difficult to discuss without plot spoilers...
@kbm0 @eclectech @futurebird I think Banks is on record somewhere talking about his feelings on the Culture ... as for the Minds, given how competitive they are it totally makes sense to me that the turnover rate of humans on any one vessel would definitely be a point of comparison and keeping that low by making things aboard hospitable seems like a goal ... they do claim at one point that differences are to be celebrated and keeps a society healthy, so maybe in that light they would appreciate co-existing with humanity? but then there's the Grey Area ...

@mherbert @kbm0 @eclectech

Grey Area did nothing wrong.

@futurebird @mherbert @kbm0 @eclectech

No? The entire model for weaker beings coexisting with stronger ones is predicated on the guarantee that the strong will not abuse that power. Once you can’t trust that a Mind will not see or manipulate your private thoughts, all trust in them goes out of the window. The Culture as a civilisation would not be possible without that trust. Grey Area would have undermined the entire basis of the civilisation if the other Minds had tolerated it.

@david_chisnall @mherbert @kbm0 @eclectech

But that "the culture" does tolerate it. They just won't center or endorse such actions. But, it's clear that there is awareness of what gray area is doing and no one stops them.

@futurebird @mherbert @kbm0 @eclectech

It is ostracised and not allowed to use its given name. That’s pretty much the harshest penalty that exists in the Culture.

@david_chisnall @futurebird @mherbert @kbm0 @eclectech My favourite Ian Banks book is The player of the games. Of course i liked other books as well, but i liked the player the most.

@nickapos @futurebird @mherbert @kbm0 @eclectech

I have lost count of the number of times I have reread that one. My mind has gone blank, but I also seem to recall that the drone has a cameo in one of the later books.

@david_chisnall @futurebird @mherbert @kbm0 @eclectech Yeah my physical copy is falling apart as well, but i also have it in digital.

@nickapos @futurebird @mherbert @kbm0 @eclectech

Mine is in good condition, but mostly because I read my school’s library copy a lot before buying it.