seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

@sarae I personally don’t fav because favs don’t autodelete as far as I can tell! But favs are great if you’re not worried about that!
@Recalcitrant I think that can be turned off, or at least I remember untoggling something lime that 😅
@leguinian_utopia hmmmmmm I’ll look into it
@Recalcitrant @leguinian_utopia did this lead to something?
@saxnot @leguinian_utopia i think maybe he was referring to the setting of keeping post you've favorited? i cannot find a setting to auto-delete favs
@Recalcitrant @leguinian_utopia yeah I want a setting for that
@Recalcitrant @saxnot I toggled this one on the web interface but it might only work in a browser? Thst would be logical
@leguinian_utopia @saxnot that’s only for your own posts — I’m talking about clearing my favs of other people’s posts

@Recalcitrant @leguinian_utopia yes that's the same I was looking for

Just for clarify

@codl still missing forget.codl.fr
it was not forgotten

@Recalcitrant @leguinian_utopia

@Recalcitrant @sarae yes that's my concern also
for a time (back when we had forget.codl.fr) I deleted favs manually but that is gruesome and not rewarding

@Gargron please add fav's to the auto deletion

@Recalcitrant @sarae

@Recalcitrant @sarae do you mean "faved toots of others" or "my own toots, which someoone has fav'd" do not autodelete?
@deborahh @sarae when I fav a post the fact that I’ve fav’d it is there forever afaict
@Recalcitrant @sarae ah, I see.
But, at least, unlike Xitter, only you and the OP can see that you liked it.
Well, and it makes the post itself searchable on your instance.
@deborahh @sarae oh nice I didn’t realize the fav list wasn’t accessible to others…

@Recalcitrant @sarae one way I use likes is this:
My posts ares set to autodelete after X time.
*Except* any post with at least 1* like.
So if I make a toot and want it to not autodelete, I just go and Like it!

* configurable. I set it to 1.

@Recalcitrant @sarae (also: if you Like my post, and then I edit it, you get a notification - or not, depending on your notification settings).
@deborahh @sarae yes, I know about that setting and have it on! I just don’t want the list of every other post I’ve ever liked to be saved anywhere
@deborahh @Recalcitrant @sarae I can see who liked a post by clicking on the number

@Limnobotanik @Recalcitrant @sarae oh, wow, it's true! I missed that.

But, unlike Xitter, they cannit go to *your* profile and see all toots you liked.

@sarae when i say something here and it's a funny/emotional/interesting thing to me, then a friend presses that button, it makes me go "hehehe! they saw that :D"

@awawawa yeah I often use it as a way to let people know I saw their reply in a conversation

or as a "hey, right on"

@sarae @awawawa yes! I sometimes read as +support +love +you’re seen

in disability communities I feel especially it never vibes “they LIKE that I’m having a brutal week,” it’s “they saw I’m having a brutal week & sent me a boop to know I’m not alone”

I think it’s v weird when I see discourse and ppl are adamant it only means “I like this”. Have your friends not been suffering & do you not boop support?

@moss @sarae @awawawa Agree. If someone posts that they’re having a hard time, often I might not fully understand why or how and worry about commenting delicately. So I favorite the post to be supportive, to acknowledge their discomfort .

@GPJohnston @moss @awawawa yep exactly this

"hang in there buddy times are tough but I am on Team You and hoping for the best"

@sarae @GPJohnston @moss @awawawa

Sometimes e.g. in the actuallyAutistic group, people post kind of personal things, and even if they didn’t set it to followers only, I sometimes feel it should perhaps stay in the group. Then I just favour it, rather than boost.

Also, I have a pinned post about this very topic 😊

@moss yeah, I definitely use it as a boop of friendly acknowledgement too.  @sarae @awawawa
@mycrowgirl @moss @sarae @awawawa I use it the same. Sometimes I don't have the spoons to reply to someone having a difficult time. I want them to know they aren't alone.

@MsHearthWitch @mycrowgirl @moss @sarae @awawawa The Like/Favourite buttons doesn't only mean "I like this post," no matter what some people claim. It can be:

- I see you
- Support
- I agree with what you wrote
- Etc

@mycrowgirl @moss @sarae @awawawa They should henceforth be known as 'Boops'.

@runoutgroover absolutely!!!

Also nominate that the collective term for a group of boops be henceforth known as A Kindness of Boops.
@moss @sarae @awawawa

@runoutgroover someone here could make a great electronic track called Boops and Boosts
@moss @sarae @awawawa it's a great way to bridge the gap between "no one cares" and "no one knows what to say"
The latter is a much easier truth to accept!
@sarae @awawawa Roughly 33 People just used it the same way ;)

@sarae Fringe benefit of starring posts that I discovered is that they then show up when you search using the 'in:library' qualifier.

This is a nice way of not trying to bookmark everything that you might want to find again at a later date.

I am still trying to boost or comment rather than favourite where I can, as I do think these forms of engagement are really important here.

@blag oh I'm a big fan of boosting, obvs

but I also kind of have an idea about "these are the topics I'm sharing news about" and when things are way outside that, it's good to have another tool in the box

I use boosting more like I use sharing articles the the family group texts

@sarae PS. Should have put previous comment in context by saying that I tried for a few months to *only* boost and reply.

This survey, and the replies, brought me back into the starring frame of mind:

https://typo.social/@blag/115966097175995921

Sam at BLAG (@[email protected])

Should I start 'liking/starring' posts again? Context: I've tried to be more actively engaged here by forcing myself to only boost or reply but am now thinking about flexing my star button again. #AskFedi #Fediverse #Mastodon [ ] Yes [ ] No [ ] Other, hit reply

typo.social
@sarae I’ve not seen the nega-fav posts, what they got against favoriting?
@GPJohnston it doesn't feed an algo so that's a problem, I guess? idk it's a mindset that doesn't fit well with how I use the system
@sarae @GPJohnston It's also policing behavior, telling other people how they should be behaving. I don't like it. Not one bit ...

@colo_lee @GPJohnston I think people are often coming from a place of believing that others genuinely don't understand how things work, because they recently didn't understand themself

but in this case I'm like, you are correct that the tool doesn't do the thing a similarly-named tool did elsewhere

that is because you are now in a space designed by people who found that tool's behavior elsewhere fairly upsetting

(I notice the same thing about QGIS vs Esri products, in my work life)

@sarae @GPJohnston that is a generous read of the situation in your first sentence. I'll try to follow your example and share the assumption of good will ...

@colo_lee @GPJohnston lol I get up every day and try to remind myself about that

and sometimes it really is that way but daaaamn also people are people an upsetting amount of the time 😆

@sarae @colo_lee @GPJohnston it is very nice to assume someone just wants to share newfound knowledge.

maybe it is worded as "advice" because this a style of conversation people are used to.

you can also word it as "something I learned" and hope that others find useful so I am sharing it.

@coba @sarae @colo_lee @GPJohnston

Yep. Stating things as "this is what I do, and here's why" works a whole lot better for me than telling other people what to do.

@sarae oh no, not this nonsense again... I remember last time they were saying, "never fav or boost, only leave comments!" as if there aren't enough reply guys already!

actual discussion is good of course, but commenting for the sake of commenting... why?

@lalah that really confused me as well

commenting doesn't increase post visibility in this system, and yeah...unless I have something to say I should keep my mouth shut

hell a lot of the time when I have something to say I should DEFINITELY keep my mouth shut, lol

@sarae @lalah

Commenting does *decrease* post conversation visibility, though. The worse the noise-to-signal ratio, the earlier people give up reading a thread

@lalah @sarae I've come across this term a few times but I'm not completely sure on its meaning. What is a reply guy, in your definition?