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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

Here's the uncomfortable part. NATO is cowardly and inept. If that was not true, Ukraine would not still be trying to expel Russia from its territory.

But of course, that's not the context here, and telling your 'friends' they are cowards even when they did in fact come to your aid and spilled blood the one time you asked, is not how you keep those friends.

But #TheAmericanFascist is not interested in friendship. He only wants loyalty and fealty. He’s not getting it. On that, NATO is right.

#NATO #Canada #USA #IranUSAIsraelWar #Ukraine #RussiaUkraineWar

AnnieBuddy Mar 20

@chris And if I remember correctly that's a war he as a person started without any approvement of the congress, right?

Also the US attacked Iran without real evidence that they are that close for real. So in my opinion we as EU do everything right at the moment.

He did start it without permission or thinking about the consequences now he need to solve it. Why should any EU citizen die for a war we never wanted or have started?

NATO is for defense only, nothing else.

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸Mar 20

@Xanatos agreed!

Actually, I disagree with the first statements.

It is not cowardly to avoid escalation. Often it is the opposite of cowardice. I believe M Obama, who negotiated with Russia when they first invaded Ukraine, made a grave error in acknowledging Russia's critical military infrastructure at Sevastopol, Sarych, etc. That was the USA negotiating, not NATO.

It is still the USA negotiating, not NATO.

If cowardice has been displayed, it is by the USA.

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸Mar 20

@Amgine great point. Though I do think other countries within NATO (Germany, France, the UK) were just as happy to try to appease rather than stand up in defence.

@chris @Amgine it’s not an easy decision when your citizens shelter depends on the fuel from your aggressor.
Hundreds or thousands could have died in winter cold and no one wants that on their conscious. (Of course different people have died in the war).

Germany especially has dramatically incentivized solar panel purchases. I’m sure partly so that they don’t have to appease in the future.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I just don’t know what I would have done.

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸Mar 20

@leroy @Amgine my opinion is just one and there are a lot of nuances and variances that are valid.

Tim Finnerty Mar 20

@chris @leroy @Amgine Indeed there are many nuances. One could name the precendents of #Bosnia, #Kosovo or #Libya, for example.

That is not my recollection of the time; Germany and France had different goals, but Poland gave their backbones starch.

Recall the reason Ukraine became independent: they willing gave up the majority of the former USSR's nuclear weapons - they were the knife at Europe's throat for 40 years. With their independence, Europe gained 10 minutes warning of nuclear launches.

It altered the world balance. Many are greatful.

anyGould Mar 20

@chris Problem is that NATO isn't the Justice League, and Ukraine is not (yet) in NATO. And while the US has suckered NATO countries into being their beard in the past, countries are wary and Trump has the diplomatic skills of a week old turd.

Epistomai Mar 20

@Amgine @chris 2 things: you can't negotiate with Putin after the invasion, maybe with another Russians. The second, nobody wants escalation, not even Putin. He wants the territory and obedience, but he's not stupid like Kim or Trump to convert into a nuclear wasteland

@epistomai @chris

He wants the territory because?

Because it is the world's bread basket, and the ABCDs* support him.

Why the hell we let these multinational corporations collaborate with Putin is beyond me. But they are the reason the war continues. The #Oligarchs.

* Archer-Daniels-Midland, Bunge, Cargill, & Louis Dreyfus corporations: see #Wikipedia disambig: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABCD#Other_uses_in_science_and_technology

ABCD - Wikipedia

Epistomai Mar 20

@Amgine @chris whatever the reason, you don't invade a country blatantly. Same with Venezuela, Cuba, Iran

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸Mar 20

@epistomai @Amgine we “believed” that once in Kuwait…

Epistomai Mar 20

@chris @Amgine before internet and the information era was easy for disinformation, now Trump is pushing for a Russian/North Korean/Orwellian style of regime

@epistomai @chris

Controlling information sources, imo, is easier today: everything comes through the internet.

Do you have an AM / shortwave radio? Are there NGO/public or foreign government broadcasts available in your region?

When did you last physically go to the library? Did it have physical newspapers from outside your nation's borders?

Have you picked up a physical book which was printed in a different country this year?

Do you have OONI Probe installed on a mobile device?

Epistomai Mar 20

@Amgine @chris before the dawn of the commercial/civil internet I did some of that, since the internet until today, I always dig deep in the website, especially outside of the 'common surface' iykwim

Epistomai Mar 20

@chris @Amgine but that is personally, not everyone looks like a tin foil guy and those who search are tinfoil hat people. Anyway, information is filtered, and today is worst than ever, but still we have tool's to look, before was very hard

@epistomai @chris

Yes, I do kwym! I used to run a few things with Fido Net, pre-internet. You can still find a few clues about me and Rêveware in odd spots.

I do suggest you take a look at OONI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OONI

You will likely be surprised by what its regular tests - mapping what people all over the world are allowed to find on the internet - discover about your personal access. Some of what you cannot see is controlled by your ISP, some by your government.

OONI - Wikipedia

Epistomai Mar 20

@Amgine @chris I moved from 🇲🇽 to 🇨🇦 and as I already knew it is ip locked/filtered by isp/gov, I can't see all content from outside Canada. I don't use VPN, since I never trusted even before it was known to everyone, I use TOR and other onion tools. I don't remember what other stuff did in the 90s to find filtered information from other countries, tbh

Alterego_Midshipman Mar 20