Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸Mar 20

Here's the uncomfortable part. NATO is cowardly and inept. If that was not true, Ukraine would not still be trying to expel Russia from its territory.

But of course, that's not the context here, and telling your 'friends' they are cowards even when they did in fact come to your aid and spilled blood the one time you asked, is not how you keep those friends.

But #TheAmericanFascist is not interested in friendship. He only wants loyalty and fealty. He’s not getting it. On that, NATO is right.

#NATO #Canada #USA #IranUSAIsraelWar #Ukraine #RussiaUkraineWar

Show threadAmgineMar 20

@chris

Actually, I disagree with the first statements.

It is not cowardly to avoid escalation. Often it is the opposite of cowardice. I believe M Obama, who negotiated with Russia when they first invaded Ukraine, made a grave error in acknowledging Russia's critical military infrastructure at Sevastopol, Sarych, etc. That was the USA negotiating, not NATO.

It is still the USA negotiating, not NATO.

If cowardice has been displayed, it is by the USA.

Show threadChris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸
@Amgine great point. Though I do think other countries within NATO (Germany, France, the UK) were just as happy to try to appease rather than stand up in defence.
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Show threadLeroyMar 20

@chris @Amgine it’s not an easy decision when your citizens shelter depends on the fuel from your aggressor.
Hundreds or thousands could have died in winter cold and no one wants that on their conscious. (Of course different people have died in the war).

Germany especially has dramatically incentivized solar panel purchases. I’m sure partly so that they don’t have to appease in the future.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I just don’t know what I would have done.

Show threadChris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸Mar 20
@leroy @Amgine my opinion is just one and there are a lot of nuances and variances that are valid.
Show threadTim FinnertyMar 20
@chris @leroy @Amgine Indeed there are many nuances. One could name the precendents of #Bosnia, #Kosovo or #Libya, for example.
Show threadAmgineMar 20

@chris

That is not my recollection of the time; Germany and France had different goals, but Poland gave their backbones starch.

Recall the reason Ukraine became independent: they willing gave up the majority of the former USSR's nuclear weapons - they were the knife at Europe's throat for 40 years. With their independence, Europe gained 10 minutes warning of nuclear launches.

It altered the world balance. Many are greatful.

Show threadanyGouldMar 20
@chris Problem is that NATO isn't the Justice League, and Ukraine is not (yet) in NATO. And while the US has suckered NATO countries into being their beard in the past, countries are wary and Trump has the diplomatic skills of a week old turd.