Dario Landazuri
evacideThe data broker industry must be destroyed: https://www.theverge.com/news/897145/kash-patel-ron-wyden-fbi-location-data-no-warrant
Mastodon MigrationSimpler times...
https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/111048852283194351
Joe Heafner@evacide @mastodonmigration Along with the insurance industry and pretty much everything else that has become an "industry" rather than a service.
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IaaS? industry as a service, or SaaI?
Alan Bucknam@evacide Kash, no need to buy my location data: this whole time I’ve been at your mom’s house.
bayo@evacide Nobody voluntarily shares their precise location history with the FBI when they download a flashlight app. The consent buried in a 47-page terms of service that nobody reads isn't consent in any meaningful sense of the word. It's legal infrastructure designed to manufacture the appearance of consent while eliminating its substance.
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sleepfreeparent@bayo @evacide "legal infrastructure designed to manufacture the appearance of consent while eliminating its substance."
Thanks, I've been looking for a concise phrase to capture the difference between self-governance and government, and I think this really gets to the heart of it.
These data brokers have been building on top of layer upon layer of consent-stripping infrastructure put in place by corporations and governments, all of it designed to simultaneously remove our ability to protect ourselves from it
Thanks, I've been looking for a concise phrase to capture the difference between self-governance and government, and I think this really gets to the heart of it.
These data brokers have been building on top of layer upon layer of consent-stripping infrastructure put in place by corporations and governments, all of it designed to simultaneously remove our ability to protect ourselves from it
The Animal and the Machine@bayo @evacide @YellowReadis
Spot on.
A Hobson’s choice means we need to be covered by a higher tier of law than a contract. Fortunately, a contract is at the bottom but what it means is that your law makers are letting this be so.
If the law doesn’t override it as a bad term, it means your lawmakers have constructed a system where they want this. Ironically they plead ignorance as their defence. So yes. The system is engineered to facilitate overreach.
OlivetreeIn this German/French documentary, a French newspaper discovers location data from its own news app in the location dataset of a data broker. They couldn’t explain how this could have happened, since they don’t collect this data themselves.
The Film also shows that not only intelligence agencies can use such data, but also stalkers and other equally “charming” individuals.
https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/123951-000-A/gefaehrliche-apps-im-netz-der-datenhaendler/
Gefährliche Apps - Im Netz der Datenhändler - Die ganze Doku | ARTE
Apps sammeln detaillierte Standortdaten. Die Informationen landen in einem weltweiten Netzwerk aus Datenhändlern und Werbefirmen. Sie verraten Wohnorte und Arbeitsplätze – bis hin zu Bordellbesuchen oder Klinikaufenthalten. Die Dokumentation zeigt, wie leicht Nutzer ins Visier von Stalkern, Kriminellen oder Geheimdiensten geraten können.
The documentary is also available on YouTube, in case the first link is geo-restricted.
Gefährliche Apps - Im Netz der Datenhändler | Doku HD | ARTE
Hendrik Weimer
Consent Games 
@evacide as long as people are blindly and happily using the services hoarding the data, data brokers will be around.
only the society can kill them, but society is lazy and not interested.
Misuse Case@utf_7 @evacide >> as long as people are blindly and happily using the services hoarding the data, data brokers will be around.
I can’t opt out of having my data collected and then sold to data brokers by credit bureaus and if you’re American, you can’t either.
And that’s just the example I can think of off the top of my head.
John McFarlane@MisuseCase @utf_7 @evacide there are plenty of little ways to add friction to the system. Everything helps. E.g. the Duckduckgo Android app comes with a tracking blocker. I've not used any of these apps recently!
@JSAMcFarlane @utf_7 @evacide I do stuff like that and also pay a service that removes me from most data broker lists.
But my point is that you can’t stay out of data brokers’ databases by not using Instagram, or using VPNs, or whatever. Maybe you can stay off their lists by living off the grid in the woods and not even having a bank account. But maybe not even then.
@MisuseCase @JSAMcFarlane @evacide
how do they get your data then when not using their services?
@utf_7 @MisuseCase @evacide I presume they're running in the background. I don't generally go out of my way to grant permissions to apps, but they're under pressure to assist the brokers in collecting data from us all the time.
Try installing DuckDuckGo just to turn on the service. It's basically a firewall (and a leaky one at that). You'll be shocked how much data all your apps are giving up about you!
@JSAMcFarlane @MisuseCase @evacide
i have e/os with an integrated blocker
@utf_7 @JSAMcFarlane @evacide If you have a bank account, lines of credit, a mortgage, or pretty much anything where you interact with the financial system, the credit bureaus have your data.
Many other countries have their central banks or a government agency track creditworthiness. In the U.S. we have what amounts to a sanctioned cartel of private companies doing it.
Diogo Constantino@evacide it does, but not only because it harms americans, it harms humanity, and there's also something very wrong about the USA Government, which is as guilty of this harm, likely more guilty.
FossThought@evacide Plus, government bodies are funded by taxpayer dollars, so we're paying for our own surveillance.
charlesmagne1Patel is a scourge on the civil liberties of Americans. He serves an autocrat. The only positive news of his appointment is that he is dumb. .
halfredgreenappleIf the government has access to and the power to buy such data, they will always choose to buy it
ferricoxide@evacide
Not that the databroker industry mustn't be destroyed, but what really needs to happen (with respect to law-enforcement and intelligence, specifically) is that purchasing as a 4A-circumvention should be treated exactly the same as a direct 4A-violation.
When it comes to data-aggregators, they should be forced to operate under the same kinds of data-protection frameworks as other data-collectors:
• Created a medical profile from direct and indirect indicators? Congratulations, your database is now subject to HIPAA and related protection- and disemmination-frameworks.
• Created a financial profile? Congratulations, you need to be PCI/DSS compliant and need to operate under the same explicit permissions strictures the government does (you have to explicitly consent to all sharing and the consent can't be a dense, "wall-of text, click here to pretend you read and understand it" vehicle)
• Etc.
Basically, allow them to exist, but make the expense of maintaining those products so high as to basically be not worth doing.
Not that the databroker industry mustn't be destroyed, but what really needs to happen (with respect to law-enforcement and intelligence, specifically) is that purchasing as a 4A-circumvention should be treated exactly the same as a direct 4A-violation.
When it comes to data-aggregators, they should be forced to operate under the same kinds of data-protection frameworks as other data-collectors:
• Created a medical profile from direct and indirect indicators? Congratulations, your database is now subject to HIPAA and related protection- and disemmination-frameworks.
• Created a financial profile? Congratulations, you need to be PCI/DSS compliant and need to operate under the same explicit permissions strictures the government does (you have to explicitly consent to all sharing and the consent can't be a dense, "wall-of text, click here to pretend you read and understand it" vehicle)
• Etc.
Basically, allow them to exist, but make the expense of maintaining those products so high as to basically be not worth doing.
Rachel Rawlings@evacide It's absolutely true that modern information brokers are evil, but haven't federal and local agencies been buying this data for decades already?
Nicky Donna
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EndicottRoad59@evacide And, when they have enough data, they will begin to arrest DJT's political enemies.
MrAptronym@evacide I do not understand how this has ever been legal. I have been around so many people discussing how creepy China's surveillance state is (and it is) but who don't have any particular problem with the data broker industry in the US. Many people see it as maybe creepy, but not a real problem. We just outsourced the work.
"They have cameras everywhere" Lady, you have a Ring doorbell on your porch.
Peter Bindels@evacide Do you have several billions a year to lobby congress? Those selling the data do.
@dascandy If I thought that activism couldn't achieve victories against a better-funded opponent, I would have gone into a different line of work.
In California, for example, we have the DELETE Act, which is a big step in the right direction: https://privacy.ca.gov/drop/about-drop-and-the-delete-act/
Robin Barton@evacide Well thank god we don't have chinese ev's
Kevin RussellAnd data centers must be destroyed.
Wladimir Palant@evacide You need to start that statement with “ceterum censeo.” 😉