A true anarchist is not a knee-jerk reactionary against social convention for it's own sake. Not the one who screams 'no rules!', while trying to make everyone else follow theirs.

An anarchist has a code, a set of rules they hold themselves to, not anyone else. An anarchist is one who asks; 'who made this rule, and what purpose does it serve?' before deciding whether or not to follow it.

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#anarchists #anarchy

An anarchist does not drive on the opposite side of the road just because what side to drive on has a rule. But they might treat a red light as a stop sign when there's little or no traffic.

Like models, rules are never universally right, but some are useful. Good rules are guidelines, that help keep us safe. Not policies to be policed, regardless of the likely outcome.

Following rules because they're rules is recorded in history as "just following orders". We know where that leads.

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A couple of days ago I posted about what being an anarchist means to me. Obviously given the way I defined it, I can't determine what it means for anyone else. A contradiction, yes. But one that holds space for flexible ways of understanding that can better respond to our constantly shifting situations.

One thing my freedoms-based definition didn't address though, was how I apply it to political economy. For example, do I believe that all legitimate anarchist politics is anticapitalist?

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So one thing I want to clarify is that although I see "anarcho-capitalism" as just fascism with better branding (Peter Thiel being an archetypal example of where it leads), I do accept that a person can be right-leaning economically, and still be an anarchist.

But there are limits, beyond which this becomes a contradiction in ways that are universalizing, and inflexible (again think of the neoreactionaries defending the freedom to deny others freedom).

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When people claim that property is an inalienable right - like freedoms of expression or association are - then "property is theft", as Proudhon famously put it. But as long as they accept that property is a social agreement, subject to negotiation and consensus, then "property is freedom" (a lesser known quote from Proudhon).

Having said that, being open to the idea of a place for markets in a free society does *not* make an anarchist right-leaning. It just makes them not a Stalinist.

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There is an entire movement of 'left-libertarians', anarchists who are pro-markets (or at least not anti-markets), but who understand themselves as part of a broader anticapitalist movement on the left. Examples;

https://marketsnotcapitalism.com/

https://c4ss.org/

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Markets Not Capitalism

Left-libertarian is not a common term in Aotearoa, which I think is a shame. Because a lot of the principled, green-voting libertarians I met in the Pirate Party NZ see themselves as right-leaning, because they're pro-markets.

There's certainly no place for them in the bloody-minded, Marxist-Bakuninist groups who tend to dominate 'Big-A' anarchist movements here. For whom even I'm not left-wing enough to be trusted, or reliably welcome in their spaces.

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Again, this is a shame. Not to mention a strategic weakness for the left as a whole, because it leaves large swathes of young libertarians politically homeless. At risk of being recruited as Useful Idiots for ACT, and now also the Taxpayers Onion, the Free Speech Onion, and other reputation launderers for technofascism.

('Onion' because they're not unions in any meaningful sense of the word, and there are many layers obscuring what's really at their core)

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I joined Pirate Party NZ partly to build a home for kiwis with nascent left-libertarian leanings. But the source of PPNZ's utter tactical failure was not just being outmaneuvered by the deep pockets of Kim DotCom's Internet Party. Although in hindsight it seems clear that this was at least part of its purpose.

(Internet Party = "IP"; the clue to their anti-Pirates agenda was right there in the name, and in KDC's ongoing refusal to publish full code for his platforms under free licenses)

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The terminal flaw of the Pirate Party NZ project is that electoral politics is a dead end in NZ, unless you ally with an established party or Parliamentarian. Even with the significant resources of a Gareth Morgan or KDC, no new party has entered the NZ Parliament under MMP without a current MP involved;

* The Alliance had an ex-Labour MP

* Winston First

* United Future was formed as United, by MPs from both legacy parties

* Greens had 2 Alliance MPs

* Māori Party had Dame Tariana

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As I argued at the time, PPNZ would have been better to run only electorate candidates, and focus mainly on being a NORML of tech politics. An umbrella for a range of public campaigns for regulatory reform, and against reactionary tech proposals by Parliamentarians.

Essentially what I tried and mostly failing to do with Disintermedia.net.nz. Before facing reality and embracing its emergent nature as a blog and wiki-farming operation run by me, with support from allies.

But I digress ...

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Point is, the political homelessness of left-leaning kiwi libertarians is a problem I've wanted to see solved for a long time. With many new organising tools available, and the political winds changing unpredictably, I think it's time to try again.

If you're resident in Aotearoa (or part of the kiwi diaspora and still care about our activist politics), and you can see yourself standing under a left-libertarian banner at a public protest (with or without Guy Fawkes mask), get in touch!

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What I have in mind is an E2EE, private Matrix group where we can gather and start discussions. But there's no point starting a group space without a founding group, and I'm open to other ideas.

I did consider starting a community on Lemmy.social or PieFed.social. But much as I love the threadiverse, a Matrix room and its archives aren't tied to the apron strings of any 1 service. It's important we can speak freely, without any risk of a service operator being pressured to muzzle us.

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None of the existing threadiverse tools offer encrypted conversations. So an admin can always read them, even in a private community. Even if we trust them not to under normal circumstances, or they're a member of the group anyway, which would be the ideal.

Then, because a community remains permanently tied to the service where it's started, the admin of that service could be threatened with legal action (or kompromat) if they don't spy on us. I don't want anyone to be in that position.

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If I hear from at least 2 other people who feel really strongly that our country's political landscape needs this, it might be a goer. If at least a handful of others are willing to be part of the founding conversations, I think we can create something useful.

The initial conversations will need to define the principles, goals, initial structure, and so on. But that doesn't mean we can't address current events as a group from day O, within the limits of what a formless swarm can do.

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@strypey I'd love to do something like this, but I don't live in NZ. I live in Wales, UK and tbh mostly on the internet.
I have registered the domain 'reasonable.zone' and drafted it's rules/principles (no real bigotry, no zealous identarianism, be nice and respectful and not cruel or aggressive, we are pro-intellect and (polite) debate, we don't censor or condemn descriptive statements under any circumstances, academic freedom, that sort of thing).
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@strypey I wish there was a political party in this country that I could be sure shared my civil libertarian ideology. Maybe the #LibDems. One of their Lords members insisted that the OSA is "in line with Liberal principles" to me though, so i don't have high hopes.
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@light
> I have registered the domain 'reasonable.zone' and drafted it's rules/principles

Sounds like you'd fit in on LessWrong;

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/bJ2haLkcGeLtTWaD5/welcome-to-lesswrong

> I wish there was a political party in this country that I could be sure shared my civil libertarian ideology

As many of my fellow Pirates found, the NZ Greens have been consistently better on both civil liberties and tech rights issues than our equivalent of the LibDems (ACT). Have you looked into the UK Greens since Zack became leader?

Welcome to LessWrong! — LessWrong

The road to wisdom? Well, it's plain and simple to express: • Err and err and err again but less and less and less. • – Piet Hein …

@strypey
>Sounds like you'd fit in on LessWrong;
I probably would actually. I'm not sure why I haven't joined yet.

>Have you looked into the UK Greens since Zack became leader?
Not really. I'm a bit disillusioned with politics after not getting any responses to my emails to my MP. I did get a response from that lord though, which was surprising.

@strypey
>I probably would actually. I'm not sure why I haven't joined yet.
Now that I remember, I think it had something to do with the optional "reign of terror" rules that nonetheless central figures such as Yudkowsky use on their posts, and this thread: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/T8Huvskn2Ab5m8wkx/i-ve-had-it-with-those-dark-rumours-about-our-culture
I've had it with those dark rumours about our culture rigorously suppressing opinions — LessWrong

You folks probably know how some posters around here, specifically Vladimir_M, often make statements to the effect of: •   …

@strypey
Still, not insurmountable hurdles.
"Reign of terror" seems like it's just colourful language for the normal internet way of moderating. More honest, really.
@strypey
That thread is certainly... interesting though. I don't like people who "hide their power level" or play public relations games.
I'd like to make it a rule on reasonable.zone that you have to be honest about what you believe.
That's not really enforceable, though, so there would need to be some kind of extra-legal incentive. What do you think?

@light
> What do you think?

I think you answered your own question when you said;

> That's not really enforceable, though

Not in an objective way. But you can put it in the ToS/ Rules of Engagement or whatever you call the founding manifesto. The great thing about being a moderator is, if you know it when you see it, you can moderate on that basis. People can squawk all they want, but at the end of the day, they're on your lawn ; )

@strypey I've never been to Aotearoa ... but I am passionate about creating neutral (digital) infrastructure to support self-organization at scale (as a counter to extractive market practices with increasing barriers to entry). Currently looking at labor market, informal community trade and community task/process coordination.
@strypey Thanks I was not aware of ValueFlows. Will check it out! Ideally I'd combine the value/semantic layer with Federated Bookkeeping to have an 'ERP-like' ecosystem that reduces the need and importance of (opaque) organizational boundaries.

@tijl
> labor market, informal community trade and community task/process coordination

Have you talked to any of the people building software around #ValueFlows? @bhaugen and @lynnfoster are the OGs there. This is what @Bonfire seems to be mainly about. IIRR my first contact with @mayel (1 of the core devs) was as the dev of a web platform for community timebanks (Ora?).