*clicks onto linkedin*

> half the posts are from techbro *men* talking about their AI pals that they have made

> some of their AI pals are depicted with early 20s female avatars

> the techbros are 50+ years old

*clicks off of linkedin in disgust*

wasn't there a kinda shitty movie about this? ex machina or something?
so if you sexually harass your AI assistant at work, does it report you to HR? asking for all the guys on linkedin who seem to like their AI assistants a little too much
@ariadne as long as it happens to non-company ai-assistants we have no leeway
@ariadne this is actually the one use case for AI, they're like a grease trap for sexual harassment
@ariadne I enjoyed the film.
@grahamperrin can we get to the 'find out' part of the film where the AI sex bot wants to kill the person giving the bot the """turing test"""

@ariadne I can't remember it was """a while ago""".

I do remember liking the architecture, the woodland setting, and so on, although I wouldn't really want to live anywhere so sterile.

@ariadne I'd take Ex Machina over this timeline. The robot wins and the techbros get their comeuppance.
@ariadne Ex Machina was a good movie, the only unrealistic thing was that the techbro was the cautious one and didn't get bamboozled by his creation.
@ariadne "does that movie have a 'happy ending'?"
@ariadne The Venn diagram of the AI bro class and the [wannabe] Epstein class is a circle.

@ariadne

If you want to see something kinda encouraging then look at this pool I created over there:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/klausfrank_ai-llm-marketing-activity-7439408487333249024-Zswc

It only got served to a handful of people through their algorithm but all 10 people said "AI powered" is a bad thing.

(Also probably the only ones that actively read things there and not just post latest buzzword garbage without reflecting on it for a second)

#ai #llm #marketing #ads #poll | Klaus F.

Just come across a similar poll on mastodon and the result was quite clear. 982 participants (12h before it closed) with 99% for one and 1% for the other option. But let's try the same thing on here. Link to poll on Mastodon/Fedi: https://lnkd.in/d5baBnBg #AI #LLM #marketing #ads #poll

LinkedIn
@ariadne I can only think of cults and scams when LinkedIn is mentioned ever since I watched that Farrell McGuire video. :P
Business Insider Founder Creates AI Exec For His New Newsroom, Immediately Hits On Her

‘Did the same rules apply to AI colleagues and native-AI workplaces? I didn’t know yet. That was one of the things I needed to figure out.’

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@ariadne look, I'm all for giving these guys AI sexbots if it makes them leave real women alone
@ska on one hand, valid, but on the other, it tells us what they really want out of these things
@ariadne @ska I'd be perfectly happy if they only wanted that out of these *things*. Like, let them have at it. Unfortunately I'm afraid it also tells us what they want out of *people*. And humanizing those pieces of software also dehumanizes actual people.

@equinox @ariadne They are already dehumanizing people, they didn't wait for AI chatbots.

It's hard to tell how to reduce harm. Apart from evicting these guys out of any position of power forever, obviously.

@ska @ariadne Narrator: It didn't make them leave real women alone.

It just let them normalize the feel of having that kind of power relationship.

The same way letting them have "AI slaves" won't make them want to bring back human slavery any less, but rather more.

It just whets their appetite.

@dalias @ariadne Sure. But you could say the same thing about porn, which I see as a net positive for society, because imagine guys without that outlet.

I think that guys who want that kind of power will want it anyway, and letting them have some sort of substitute minimizes harm. I may be wrong about this. I'm not recommending we set up scientific trials to study what the net result is.

@ska @ariadne I mean for certain types of "porn" (particularly, CSAM, but maybe some other things too?) I think it does make things worse not serve as an "outlet" or "harm minimization". Probably this has something to do with whether the production itself involves the awful power dynamic they crave, vs legitimate porn where production is consensual.
@dalias @ska @ariadne Also I think there's a bit about (re)presentation, like if in-story sex crimes makes audience/characters afraid of consequences or actually jailed is different from the various kinds of horrors some probably want.

@dalias @ariadne Yeah I thought it was obvious that the issue with CSAM is production, and its consumption is bad because it's an incentive to produce more.

I don't know how I really feel about AI-generated CSAM, if that's a thing (who are we kidding, of course that's a thing). Disgusted, certainly, but I kinda see it as "sick" more than "evil", if that makes sense.

@dalias @ska @ariadne Note that some countries consider even visual art (or indeed, even text) that never involved any humans as qualifying.

The depiction can be just about anything.

I would also be wary of considering appreciation for any particular depiction to be indicative of anything (humans get very weird about sex and reality need not apply). The average vore enthusiast doesn't go on to attempt cannibalism (consensual or not).
@lispi314 @ariadne @ska See the other branches of this thread. I don't think we need this discussion here - it doesn't contribute to the topic.

@dalias I was thinking it hadn't federated but no, I don't get it.

For example, rape fetish is absurdly (okay, that's just me not getting it but whatever) common among women and yet basically none of them (the ones consuming it specifically, not the general population set) actually wish it to happen to them for real.

The distinction between porn/erotic fantasy and reality matters a lot.

Or is my understanding of "any erotica" as "porn" (or really, lack of differentiation between the two, erotic art is erotic art, it doesn't matter if it's low quality slop) the issue that confuses me?

@ska @dalias watching porn of consenting adults, and having a virtual sex slave, less than half one's age, incapable of consent or saying "no", are dramatically different things
@outfrost @ska Yeah that's basically my point.