Ariadne Conill 🐰
*clicks onto linkedin*
> half the posts are from techbro *men* talking about their AI pals that they have made
> some of their AI pals are depicted with early 20s female avatars
> the techbros are 50+ years old
*clicks off of linkedin in disgust*
Laurent Bercot@ariadne look, I'm all for giving these guys AI sexbots if it makes them leave real women alone
@ska on one hand, valid, but on the other, it tells us what they really want out of these things
equinox
Cassandrich@dalias @ariadne Sure. But you could say the same thing about porn, which I see as a net positive for society, because imagine guys without that outlet.
I think that guys who want that kind of power will want it anyway, and letting them have some sort of substitute minimizes harm. I may be wrong about this. I'm not recommending we set up scientific trials to study what the net result is.
@ska @ariadne I mean for certain types of "porn" (particularly, CSAM, but maybe some other things too?) I think it does make things worse not serve as an "outlet" or "harm minimization". Probably this has something to do with whether the production itself involves the awful power dynamic they crave, vs legitimate porn where production is consensual.
Haelwenn /элвэн/ 
@dalias @ariadne Yeah I thought it was obvious that the issue with CSAM is production, and its consumption is bad because it's an incentive to produce more.
I don't know how I really feel about AI-generated CSAM, if that's a thing (who are we kidding, of course that's a thing). Disgusted, certainly, but I kinda see it as "sick" more than "evil", if that makes sense.
LisPi@dalias @ska @ariadne Note that some countries consider even visual art (or indeed, even text) that never involved any humans as qualifying.
The depiction can be just about anything.
I would also be wary of considering appreciation for any particular depiction to be indicative of anything (humans get very weird about sex and reality need not apply). The average vore enthusiast doesn't go on to attempt cannibalism (consensual or not).
The depiction can be just about anything.
I would also be wary of considering appreciation for any particular depiction to be indicative of anything (humans get very weird about sex and reality need not apply). The average vore enthusiast doesn't go on to attempt cannibalism (consensual or not).
@dalias I was thinking it hadn't federated but no, I don't get it.
For example, rape fetish is absurdly (okay, that's just me not getting it but whatever) common among women and yet basically none of them (the ones consuming it specifically, not the general population set) actually wish it to happen to them for real.
The distinction between porn/erotic fantasy and reality matters a lot.
Or is my understanding of "any erotica" as "porn" (or really, lack of differentiation between the two, erotic art is erotic art, it doesn't matter if it's low quality slop) the issue that confuses me?
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