Thomas
Do you work in an #agile team? What is your most valuable meeting or ritual, and which one is the least valuable? Why?
Mar 15 at 11:09amWeb
Show threadbenMar 15

@nobsagile I think I tend to find most value in other agile practices, not the meetings. But for example refinement and planning when done well, involving the whole team in defining the work, can be very effective in my experience.

(Unfortunately I think that's a part of agile that can easily be eroded, when some team members feel they're 'too busy' for meetings.)

Show threadThomasMar 15
@benjamineskola Thanks! Interesting you did not mention daily!
Show threadbenMar 15

@nobsagile I wondered.

I don’t think I would want to give up daily standups, but I don’t know if they’re the *most* valuable thing either.

Show threadThomasMar 15
@benjamineskola I understand! Thinking about "most value" I think you are right. Maybe the sum of dailies is as valuable as a refinement and/or planning. Hmm...
Show threadPhuQuocDevsMar 15
@nobsagile I think I could run without planning meetings, only with standups. Maybe a mature team could even go without standups. On the other hand, demo meetings bring the most value, because they bring the feedback from client, and we clearly show our value by demonstrating the increment. And retrospectives keep us together and continually improving.
Wait - is this a trick question? If a ritual is not valuable, it shouldn't even be there.
Show threadThomasMar 15
@phuquocdevs Hi! I am thinking that maybe a team (not every team) could be a productive without any meeting/ritual if the are experienced enough to understand the mechanics of the Work-Feedback Loop. I would call that to have more "liquid" meeting culture and do only meetings if necessary. Skip daily or refinement if not needed for example. Only do the things that are needed for a robust Work-Feedback Loop.
Show threadPhuQuocDevsMar 15
@nobsagile Yes, absolutely, but it's quite hard to find enough people who really understand the essence of agile to the point they can get the benefits by themselves. The rituals make it also a bit more efficient I think, such as we don't have to be looking for a time when everyone is available every time we want to discuss some improvement, we can just do it on the next retro, everyone knows when that will be.
Show threadThomasMar 15

@phuquocdevs agreed. Maybe discussing my thinking model can help to get more efficient with choosing the right meeting for the right time (I think, meetings are valuable if done right)

https://no-bullshit-agile.com/wfl/

Work–Feedback Loop – Conceptual model for organizational learning ability

A conceptual model for analyzing organizational learning ability. Not about practices, but about structural feedback coupling between work and reality.

No Bullshit Agile
Show threadPhuQuocDevsMar 15
@nobsagile yes, I read that page a while ago, I liked the "decision latency". I know companies who have decision latency on the order of quarters or even years, but still call themselves "agile". Definitely a fresh angle to look at it.
Show threadThomasMar 15
@phuquocdevs Thanks for reading and the feedback! Happy :) If you like, a share somewhere and some day would be cool!
Show threadRing2 🏴‍☠️Mar 15

It's not easy, imho, perhaps even misleading to rank #Scrum events.

But when I have to choose, it's the Daily. The opportunity to inspect and adapt that happens often.

Show threadSebastian StautzMar 16

@nobsagile None. Talk to people in reasonable ways.
Especial rituals are just the latest time one should bring up a topic. And then these meetings are often overloaded because multiple people do it.

Instead of / in addition to meetings and rituals I find ways for communication important. Especial chats. Allow for parallel communication on multiple topics and individual topics to be ignorable.

IF I have to choose a meeting, as tester it would be my test plan and debrief meeting per ticket. 🙂