Megan Carney
Randahl FinkWhile Trump is holding rallies claiming that wind turbines do not work, I am looking at the realtime view of Danish power generation…
Total electricity consumption: 5817 MW
Total electricity production from wind: 6436 MW
Walter Tross@randahl And BTW that's almost at night, because I see just 1MW from solar cells.
Mirano4566@randahl I envy countries that are not landlocked. Offshore windmills are a game changer. Here, we have to mix PV and expensive (but reliable baseload) nuclear power.
VNKR
Bruce Heerssen 
Texas, despite having abundant offshore wind, has most of its wind farms on land, and they supply a lot of electricity. There are also numerous wind farms all across the American high plains.
Offshore wind has a lot to offer and is an important technology, but it's not the only game in town.
Pascal d'Hermilly
Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@mirano @randahl you can have wind turbines in land locked countries. Usually, the towers needed to be a little taller to evade ground turbulence. However, this is easily available from any wind turbine company.
Best way to do it when local community profit from the taxes and even better when local communities, the people can invest directly.
François @Jura@randahl Trump’s mouth produces a lot of wind though
Patrick@FrancoisPrague @randahl incl. a lot of hot air. He could basically heat a whole district with a single speech.
lefthandmonki@FrancoisPrague @randahl The problem is that it’s very hot air that can destroy sensitive electronics
Alice. 🇨🇦So does his butt!
@Ratoncita right but fortunately the diaper dampens the flow
VHG 🇪🇺🇺🇦
bouriquet
iwein
Nicole ParsonsRenewable energy is also significantly less expensive.
Imagine an economy that doesn't have to subsidize the fossil fuel industry.
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/republican-spending-bill-fossil-fuel-subsidies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_subsidies
Imagine geopolitics freed of fossil fuel fascism & 19th century thinking.
https://www.iisd.org/articles/deep-dive/route-energy-security-scrap-fossil-fuel-subsidies
Imagine national budgets liberated from the bloodsucking leaching
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years
Imagine a shift in priorities away from oil
https://cleantechnica.com/2025/06/18/big-oil-has-a-plan-waste-as-much-energy-as-possible/
For I am CJ 
The "analysts" they used for this are almost assuredly over estimating actual cost (at $100B)
If you look at countries who are already doing this.. China, Denmark, etc.
Costs don't stay flat over time... they decrease as more of your infra switches over (to renewables)
- that's "even if" you do it "the dumbest possible way" (1-to1 replacements)
If they do Micro-grids it's cheaper, more reliable, +easier to transition
The Animal and the Machine@randahl
Which means the nation of Denmark is now a little bit richer and someone else had a lower carbon footprint.
Which means the nation of Denmark is now a little bit richer and someone else had a lower carbon footprint.
Rasmus Lindegaard@randahl yes. And our jackass right politicians are current running an election campaign on building nuclear plants...
As one of my colleagues said today: "let's remove the red tape, and set a single condition for building a nuclear plant; you must have a deposit over to the state covering any and all expenses of a cleanup once a fuck up occurs before you get permission to build it"
There. Now no one can afford it, and the public won't have to foot the bill.
@randahl let's just get some damned battery capacity!
The Many Voices of Anne Ahlert@randahl
...And my electric bill in the far-suburbs of Chicago has gone up around 30% since the nearby data centers went online. (Yes, that was plural.)
No new power supply
+ an entire huge city of households usage added to the grid
= MY utility prices go up.
Thankfully, our new Mayor is putting a moratorium on new #DataCenters .
#ElectricGrid #Utilities #PowerCosts #UtilityBills #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #GreenEnergy #Windfarms #Solar #WindEnergy
#FamilyFarms are some of the biggest benefactors from #GreenEnergy . In the USA, farmers can get paid thousands of dollars for each wind turbine on their land. This is a reliable source of income in an industry that gambles heavily on the weather and market prices.
https://cleanenergy.org/news/wind-power-pays-222-million-a-year-to-rural-landowners/
@randahl #WindFarms #SolarFarms #ElectricGrid #PowerGeneration #PowerSupply #PowerGrid #Farming #FamilyFarms #PowerSources
Trektor
Knut 🏳️🌈 🇳🇴🧸@randahl there is a wind farm just outside my hometown in Wyoming. And I've been to it. These things are HUGE. The generator room is the size of my apartment building. And they don't really spin that fast. It's gotta be the dumbest fucking bird to be killed by one. Like beyond ugly duckling stupid. It happens. Survival of the fittest.
mbpaz
rubbel@mbpaz @praetor @randahl Funny thing is that even though wind turbines kill a lot of birds it's less than a million annually. A lot, you say? Well, if you have a cat you don't get to protest. Household cats are estimated to kill four billion birds annually. Yes billion with a B. Four of them. And almost a billion die from crashing into buildings. Still billion with a B. So when one bird is killed by a wind farm a thousand has already crashed into buildings.
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/do-wind-turbines-kill-birds
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/do-wind-turbines-kill-birds
sayrer@randahl we also have this:
Wind generated more than 85TWh - nearly 30% - of Great Britain's electricity last year, up slightly on 2024, according to analysis of Neso data.
Dаn̈ıel Раršlow 🥧"But oil works when the sun's not shining and the wind doesn't blow!"
Yeah, and the sun shines and the wind blows when you're starting trillion dollar wars in the oil chokepoints, genius...
Jan Vlug@randahl This is an interesting live map of electricity production:
https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/DK-DK1/live/fifteen_minutes
@janvlug that is awesome. Thanks!
mfriedenhagen
Matv1
Kevin RussellIs 600 MW exported?
Rad und TatGreat. I hope that batteries soon provide another use for surplus.
@kevinrns @randahl Batteries are great, but they are second best to using the electricity when it is available. Load balancing is key and often overlooked, from dynamic pricing to get people to charge their cars etc during a glut, to ramping up industrial production during predictable hours of cheap energy (eg daytime in summer), there's a huge amount that can be done.
Batteries let solar energy power us 24/7.
People once proudly shared their transister radio playing music anywhere. Imagine. Eight transistors, powerful technology.
Transistors now? Processors now measure in the tens of billions of transistors. 8 to 30,000,000,000
Battery costs are roughly falling 90% every 11 years.
1st image is battery cost decline of 90% to 2010 to 2022, 2nd is a different 11 year 90% decline of lithium battery cost decline 2013 to 2024.
It's still a cost, though. If I run my dishwasher at noon, I pay nothing, thanks to my panels. If I run it in the evening, I need to buy a battery first. The principle can be extrapolated to entire countries.
Yes, we'll need batteries. But intelligent load shifting (e.g. with price incentives) is better because it reduces the number of batteries needed.
Of course. States should be creating the economic stability of batteries on scale.
But my "ignore power outages" LED bulbs show batteries are cheap, growing ludicrously more cheap, and are being added faster than google provides surveillance hooks into the internet.
For batteries think water tower. Once the water tower goes up water and water pressure is ubiquitous and simple.
Battery, found everywhere, cheap and smartly connected so no outage is a system outage.
My ceiling and lamp LED light bulbs that detect power outages and run on -their own- batteries until power is back (windy locale, private power (sigh))
Solar energy fed ubiquitous batteries.
Solar atop every roof. Battery Ubiquity.
MegatronicThronBanksIt will be amazing, as they are leading him off in handcuffs in an orange suit he will *still* be spouting complete falsehoods.
@megatronicthronbanks At least the orange suit won’t show any smears from his face
@randahl What you're doing is called cherry picking. We had multiple days with low wind during the previous 7 days. Covering that with batteries is super expensive and don't forget about the grid when you get 100% one day and 5% the next when it's not utilized at all (hint you build more grid than you have to). Wind is a compliment, but nothing you can build a modern civilization on. I've not even started with the economy of windfarms which is just - waste of money.
Andi H
DonCC
John Deters@randahl But wind turbines *don't* work. At least not when your definition of a working energy policy is "enrich the oil, gas, and coal cronies who paid me bribes."