Wondering if any #ActuallyAutistic or #ADHD people have ideas that I'm missing.

My day job is supporting disabled university students. We have increasing numbers of autistic/ADHD students who are too anxious to attend classes. So they miss class 1, and then can't understand content of classes 2 onwards so get more anxious - and it spirals.

It's HUGE uni, often 100+ in class. Most buildings are HUGE, with vile acoustics and visual stress - can't change those. We do have quiet/sensory spaces.

@NatalyaD you have a typo in that first hashtag BTW, which I only mention in case someone is following the hashtag. I have thoughts about this, but I think it ultimately depends on a few things.

What is causing that initial anxiety about going to class? Is "going there" the problem or is "being there" the problem? Is there a way for attending students to go back and find information they missed? Can they make recordings? Do the slides get published? etc.

Also, I think you're right that a lot of students go to university because "That's what people do", or because that's what their parents want. I know AutDHD can make information absorption more difficult but it can also just murder the motivation to learn. So I think it's important to identify whether the students do have a reasonable way to access the information they missed and are just struggling to find motivation, or whether there is a genuine barrier to information access.

Sorry for the premature send; that's what using a keyboard gets me, I guess.

@simon Slides are published online before classes hopefully and we JUST started lecture recording this year (introduced 10 days before term started so it's partial as the tech and training for staff is a clustermuck).

The issue is a lot of our courses are practical. So fine art, engineering, jewellery or clock horology stuff. Those are lethal if a student misses classes as they miss the "how to do X skill" and can't just catch up by video/slides later.

@simon I am going to ask the next few students I chat to "what is making you anxious" and try and dig into that more.

A lot of the time so far the answers are "I want to do it but can't make myself leave home" "I'm late so I can't go into class cos I'm late" and while we work on punctuality strategies and so on, they still have to do the work.

The lack of immediate consequence might be an issue. At school, a single missed day without a note is A Big Deal. Unis can't work like that.

@NatalyaD Yeah, that's the ADHD struggle for sure. It's easy to get frustrated with people for essentially avoiding things when it doesn't have an immediate consequence, but a lot of people have just recently discovered they have ADHD at all, and have basically spent their lives not having enough spoons to do everything they need to do. Going to university forces you to be an adult in a lot of new ways, and sometimes everything feels like it's on fire, so you put out the thing closest to you and then you have to fill up the bucket again before you can put out the next one. Sometimes you're standing between a red fire extinguisher and a blue one, and you can't decide which one to pick up first until the fire burns you. Sometimes people just make dumb decisions when they're barely an adult, and not reaching out to disability services feels like one of those. ANd that's without the sensory struggles and other things that go along with autism.
It really sounds like the material is all there. Students *can* catch up on missed classes as much as the university can reasonably allow. I think if someone is dealing with that level of executive dysfunction they don't just need help dealing with university, they need help dealing with being an adult with adult responsibilities they probably didn't ask for, and classes can easily become one of those. I also think the discourse around neurodivergence and mental health is a double-edged sword, because it's raising so much awareness and helping people find an explanation for life-long struggles, but it's also creating an echo chamber that normalizes avoiding discomfort completely, and so much of the ADHD peralysis is about dreading a task that might actually be very easy. Sometimes forcing ourselves to do something that feels difficult is the only way we can learn that it's easy, and that cognitive distortion is not something that's spoken about very often. So when people hear "You are not a failure" and turn it into "It's okay if I don't go to class when I'm feeling anxious about it", it becomes another ADHD thing-they'll-do-later, and they reinforce the perception that it's difficult, until the normalization of discomfort avoidance turns into the reinforced belief that nothing will ever get better. EDIT: And in case this needs saying, yes, sometimes going to class is legitimately difficult and I think at that point it's probably very individualized. But I'm speaking more about the "I can't make myself leave home" mentality that doesn't seem to have a concrete reason behind it.
All this to say, I think you have the right approach by working on those strategies, and if it doesn't translate to success, that doesn't mean you're not doing enough. A lot of this needs to come from the student, or other supports. JMO, of course.

@simon Thanks that's a really interesting post and thoughts.

I know some of the students are never late for paid jobs cos the consequences are huge, but that comes at cost of Very High Anxiety/burnout to achieve.

I worry for the newly recognised ADHDrs especially, they hope/expect meds will be magic. I am routinely saying "you may be lucky and find magic, or you may find meds are somewhere between useless and partially helpful".

Most of our studes can get MH/ADHD/autism focused coaching...

@simon Coaching/mentoring (we use the word mentor) is something I try and encourage them to engage with (if we can find the right mentor) but again they have to show up to sessions (if they cancel more than twice a term, our government halts their funding).

The mentoring is about the strategies and trying to break what I am calling the anxiety-spiral.

I wish some of these studes wouldn't keep doing new years/courses till they nail the motivation cos that gets expensive faily too.

@simon I certainly have ideas from these discussions so far that I will try and throw upwards or look at with my students. And recognise my limits so I don't burnout on 1 student at the cost of the other 6 in my waiting list etc.

I can't actually read our university's brand new Education Strategy because they insist on using an intentionally visually-distorted branding font all over it despite promising not to use it in PDFs...