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Russ SharekWell played. <3
Reid 
@reiddragon read it again
hazelnot 
@reiddragon @prahou wait what happened 💀
I tried looking it up but all I found was people writing LLM plugins for it
@hazelnot @prahou the maintainer lost his mind, merged a bunch of code from Claude, and even started just copy-pasting Claude's comments when reviewing pull requests.
https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413#issuecomment-4000394026
Needless to say, people aren't happy and everyone's looking to flee. There's also a hard fork from before the LLM slopification started, so hopefully that picks up cause there really isn't any other editor that does the job for me. (and before you ask, neovim fell to the slop as well)
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/evi/
https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413#issuecomment-4000394026
Needless to say, people aren't happy and everyone's looking to flee. There's also a hard fork from before the LLM slopification started, so hopefully that picks up cause there really isn't any other editor that does the job for me. (and before you ask, neovim fell to the slop as well)
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/evi/
@reiddragon @prahou what the fuck
(but also I wasn't gonna ask about neovim cause I tend not to touch apps without a full GUI 💀)
@hazelnot @prahou I've just had way too many people tell me to go to neovim after I said that I'm looking for something else to switch to after Vim fell to the slopware (as if I haven't also spent years saying over and over again why NeoVim has absolutely nothing that I like about Vim except for the basic modal editing that you'd also get with busybox vi)
@reiddragon @prahou lol fair, I don't really understand most of your comment since I'm not a programmer and the few times I do write code I use, like, Kate lmao
@hazelnot @prahou it starts making a lot more sense when you think of it as a religion (jk)
modal editing is just the name for when instead of letters typing and actions being on combos like Ctrl+c, alt+g etc, you have a bunch of modes where normal mode has actions bound to keys, insert mode actually types, etc (think of it like how in video games wasd moves your character except when you're in the chat, and apply it to code/text editors)
modal editing is just the name for when instead of letters typing and actions being on combos like Ctrl+c, alt+g etc, you have a bunch of modes where normal mode has actions bound to keys, insert mode actually types, etc (think of it like how in video games wasd moves your character except when you're in the chat, and apply it to code/text editors)
@reiddragon @prahou hah, fair
...now I can only think of when I accidentally type "wwwwwadadadddaa" in a chat while trying to move in a game but the chat is open/am accidentally actually tabbed out lmao
the vessel of morganna@reiddragon @prahou @hazelnot In what ways did Kate copy VS Code? Serious question, as I haven't really used VS Code for more than half an hour (way, way too sluggish) and still use Kate on a daily basis. Kate is still a native Qt application and not a webview (unless I missed something?) and still sits in the not-a-full-blown-IDE niche from my perspective
@astraleureka @prahou @hazelnot about 4 or 5 years ago the UI was made to much more closely resemble VS Code; there were also some changes to the editor component a bit before that, though my memory is a bit fuzzy of those (I used to use Kate years ago but then every update made it less and less what I was using it for, and more and more what I was running from (VS Code); though in a way I could describe most of Plasma and Gear that way)
@reiddragon @prahou @astraleureka huh, meanwhile I feel like Plasma is just getting better and better UI-wise 😅
5 years ago it looked and felt like Android circa 2012, now it... still does, a bit, but less so
@hazelnot @prahou @astraleureka Plasma only started looking like Android with the new Kirigami crap, though. Before it was proper desktop programs, now it's mobile apps stretched to a desktop size
@reiddragon @astraleureka I don't mind Kirigami when done well (which a lot of apps do do well), and no, Plasma 5.x especially looks so much like 2010s Android 😅
Remember, I'm talking about the look and feel of things - Plasma looked (and still does though to a lesser extent) like Android Holo/very early Material, not whether you like a certain style (not in the "visual style" sense) of app or not. Stuff like the default colour scheme (which is still pretty bad), strange padding (which is fixed in a lot of places but not everywhere), stuff like that
@reiddragon @astraleureka also like, for reference, I personally think Gnome is the best looking desktop environment out there (including Windows and macOS' desktops), I just don't like the intended workflow of it, and I only switched to Plasma because I got into arguments with and got annoyed at the Gnome devs. I'm absolutely the wrong person to complain to about "desktop apps being replaced with mobile apps" and stuff like that lmao
@hazelnot @astraleureka I don't even know what you consider "2010s android"; gnome is the most mobile OS looking thing on Linux; literally ripped off a mobile OS to begin with, then took a bunch of shit from Android
also, that eyesore? looking good? are your standards that low?
also, that eyesore? looking good? are your standards that low?
@reiddragon @astraleureka oh fuck off
@hazelnot @astraleureka very civil
@reiddragon @prahou @hazelnot I fear we're perhaps not talking about the same thing? I don't recall any major part of Kate's changing in 5 years. heck, i remember the basic editor, highlighting, IDE functionality being more or less the same as it is now 10 years ago. LSP support was around 2020, is that what you mean?
@reiddragon @prahou it's also wild how many times I've seen the same "I was overworking and burning myself out on this unpaid side project so instead of taking a break I'm using the garbage extruder and fuck you for complaining about it" shit just in the last week or so o.o
(It was twice but that's still a lot)
Remy Whisker 
@remywhisker @prahou @hazelnot yeah, shit's pretty bad; if you're interested, though, maybe give EVi a look; we could use contributors
toebeans ch. 🇨🇳 
@prahou i started doing this a few weeks ago cause i was being lazy and coping, the reasonable justification only came later
makkin thing@prahou I thought they were gravestones on first read before I zoomed in! Which gives a very different read
LisPi
David JONES@prahou i literally started trying nvi (again) just today. Brutal.
thedæmon (Clay Ayers) [he / him]I'm cool again!
keith
Ashley Rolfmore (leymoo)@prahou I cannot tell if you are dissing vi or cat and girl comics or both 💀 (example https://catandgirl.com/value-menu/)
@prahou 😅 - good to clarify! the vibe is very similar, but different subject areas.
Nina Kalinina@prahou I'm finally winning
Drew Scott Daniels@prahou I lost my 90’s vim skills when I was forced to use 90’s Solaris vi and busybox vi in the 2010’s. 🙁
I still do things the way commands work on computers from decades ago in case I have to go back (ctrl+ins etc.).
I still do things the way commands work on computers from decades ago in case I have to go back (ctrl+ins etc.).
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