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@reiddragon @prahou wait what happened π
I tried looking it up but all I found was people writing LLM plugins for it
@hazelnot @prahou the maintainer lost his mind, merged a bunch of code from Claude, and even started just copy-pasting Claude's comments when reviewing pull requests.
https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413#issuecomment-4000394026
Needless to say, people aren't happy and everyone's looking to flee. There's also a hard fork from before the LLM slopification started, so hopefully that picks up cause there really isn't any other editor that does the job for me. (and before you ask, neovim fell to the slop as well)
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/evi/
https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413#issuecomment-4000394026
Needless to say, people aren't happy and everyone's looking to flee. There's also a hard fork from before the LLM slopification started, so hopefully that picks up cause there really isn't any other editor that does the job for me. (and before you ask, neovim fell to the slop as well)
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/evi/
@reiddragon @prahou what the fuck
(but also I wasn't gonna ask about neovim cause I tend not to touch apps without a full GUI π)
@hazelnot @prahou I've just had way too many people tell me to go to neovim after I said that I'm looking for something else to switch to after Vim fell to the slopware (as if I haven't also spent years saying over and over again why NeoVim has absolutely nothing that I like about Vim except for the basic modal editing that you'd also get with busybox vi)
@reiddragon @prahou lol fair, I don't really understand most of your comment since I'm not a programmer and the few times I do write code I use, like, Kate lmao
the vessel of morganna@reiddragon @prahou @hazelnot In what ways did Kate copy VS Code? Serious question, as I haven't really used VS Code for more than half an hour (way, way too sluggish) and still use Kate on a daily basis. Kate is still a native Qt application and not a webview (unless I missed something?) and still sits in the not-a-full-blown-IDE niche from my perspective
@astraleureka @prahou @hazelnot about 4 or 5 years ago the UI was made to much more closely resemble VS Code; there were also some changes to the editor component a bit before that, though my memory is a bit fuzzy of those (I used to use Kate years ago but then every update made it less and less what I was using it for, and more and more what I was running from (VS Code); though in a way I could describe most of Plasma and Gear that way)
@reiddragon @prahou @astraleureka huh, meanwhile I feel like Plasma is just getting better and better UI-wise π
5 years ago it looked and felt like Android circa 2012, now it... still does, a bit, but less so
@hazelnot @prahou @astraleureka Plasma only started looking like Android with the new Kirigami crap, though. Before it was proper desktop programs, now it's mobile apps stretched to a desktop size
@reiddragon @astraleureka I don't mind Kirigami when done well (which a lot of apps do do well), and no, Plasma 5.x especially looks so much like 2010s Android π
Remember, I'm talking about the look and feel of things - Plasma looked (and still does though to a lesser extent) like Android Holo/very early Material, not whether you like a certain style (not in the "visual style" sense) of app or not. Stuff like the default colour scheme (which is still pretty bad), strange padding (which is fixed in a lot of places but not everywhere), stuff like that
@reiddragon @astraleureka also like, for reference, I personally think Gnome is the best looking desktop environment out there (including Windows and macOS' desktops), I just don't like the intended workflow of it, and I only switched to Plasma because I got into arguments with and got annoyed at the Gnome devs. I'm absolutely the wrong person to complain to about "desktop apps being replaced with mobile apps" and stuff like that lmao
@hazelnot @astraleureka I don't even know what you consider "2010s android"; gnome is the most mobile OS looking thing on Linux; literally ripped off a mobile OS to begin with, then took a bunch of shit from Android
also, that eyesore? looking good? are your standards that low?
also, that eyesore? looking good? are your standards that low?
@reiddragon @astraleureka oh fuck off
@hazelnot @astraleureka very civil
@reiddragon @prahou @hazelnot I fear we're perhaps not talking about the same thing? I don't recall any major part of Kate's changing in 5 years. heck, i remember the basic editor, highlighting, IDE functionality being more or less the same as it is now 10 years ago. LSP support was around 2020, is that what you mean?