is dying, apparently:

DUOL shares have fallen more than 78% from their May 2025 high, and that’s before its nearly 25% fall in premarket trading today.

I've said before that one of the very few good things generative "AI" may do to the world is accelerating the enshittification cycle so much that it kills stuff that was already terrible and a drain on society (social media; platformization; curation algorithms…). Speaking as a linguist who speaks 4 languages and has read the literature on second language acquisition, it has always been my position that the Duolingo method is useless—it feels like you are learning a language, but you can spend infinite hours with it and gold a full tree and you'll still get nowhere, and if you put a fraction of the time in about any other method, including doing pen-and-paper drills with old-fashioned paper-based textbooks, you'd have progressed much faster.

And old-fashioned grammar drills suck, too. It's just that Duolingo really, really sucks.

(Methods that work better: 1) Find an intensive "conversation"-type course, or anything that is labelled as "natural" or "immersion" or "storytelling" methods; or get tandem partners; or online coaches such as in italki; failing that, join a conventional language course, the more "intensive" the better; work on these until you absorb basic grammar and vocabulary, focusing on spoken language not writing; 2) Once this bootstrap period is over, start talking to people, watching media, or reading stuf that interests you, in large quantities and every day; do not wait until you're "good" to move into the input stage, start actually using the language for things you wanted it for, as soon as possible, which is sooner than you think; partial comprehension is fine.)

Of course I hope Duolingo dies horribly in a fire after it backstabbed its workers with the "AI memo", but even if it didn't, the world is better off without it.

One lesson we can get from this: Consider that overnight 25% drop in investment, which may well prove to be the coup the grâce. It was not caused by Duo losing users or enshittifying with "AI", but by the opposite: investors mass panicked at the company setting its target revenue too low, as in a mere… 1.22 billion, rather than the 1.26 billion the investors wanted. Now the reason Duolingo is not chasing that higher goal is that they're seeing the writing on the wall, and went into damage control mode: they're pulling down a bit on squeezing their current paying users and trying to improve the experience of the free tier, in an attempt to reverse the bleed and bring in more customers.

In other words, Duolingo tried to slow down the slightest tiny bit on enshittification—3% less cash—and this already got swift punishment from the market gods. With capitalism, there is no long-term thinking: you're expected to provide the richest people on Earth with infinite growth of their ever-increasing profits squeezed from customers paying every month more and more, now and forever, or you'll be taken out and replaced by someone willing to try.

Whenever I discuss how much Duolingo sucks and doesn't work and is in fact counterproductive, and all that was already the case *before* it got rebuilt from slop, people ask the very reasonable question: "If not Duolingo, then what"?

My answer is that literally any other method is better than Duolingo lol

But I've collected some of my more detailed answers about two methods I strongly recommend—comprehensive input and tandem exchange—in these two blog posts:

* https://wordsmith.social/overthinking-the-apocalypse/language-learning-methods-that-actually-work-1-the-binge
* https://wordsmith.social/overthinking-the-apocalypse/language-learning-methods-that-actually-work-2-you-show-me-yours-and-ill

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Language learning methods that actually work #1: The binge

Today’s news was about the stock market crash of Duolingo, and I was talking about how this is one of the few positive things about “AI”:...

Overthinking the apocalypse
@elilla Before duolingo people paid for courses and went to classes to learn a language. Duolingo doesn't even look like the most efficient way to learn a language anyways. It's more like gamification.
@enigmatico @elilla It is ultimately an "educational" game without saying that it is one...
@elilla muito bom, obrigada!!! 
@elilla thank you for the articles!
@elilla also hate it when i said so and someone in the comment will be like use memrise/rosetta stone/some other app
@elilla I enjoyed reading this aloud so much to my formerly-warrior-cats-addicted, and currently duolingo'ing 13yo.
@elilla great summary and advice, thanks for writing that up!

@elilla @Tom_frog

i see what you did there with LLMs 👌🏽

i've found language transfer to be super useful and interesting, quite a unique approach https://www.languagetransfer.org

documented some of my experiences here https://rosano.ca/blog/language-transfer-the-thinking-method/

Language Transfer

Language Transfer

@elilla Can vouch for these methods, they work like a charm!

Language courses make a lot of sense for me as I want to start off with a good feel for grammar and become a decent writer.
These have provided me with a functional understanding of the language and allowed me to judge whether my sentences are correct on not. They also jumpstart good pronounciation.

Then I try to find uses for the language like you describe. My most basic Warrior Cats is a silly blender ad dubbed into a bunch of languages where they talk about vegetables and count to ten. Setting all my video games to the target language is fun as well. From there I try to find anything that interests me and wasn't translated, as a treat.
This has been great for building my vocabulary and listening skills, especially when it comes to regional accents / dialects.

Texting or talking to native speakers has helped me build sentences FAST and has really grown my confidence. Plus I get to request stuff like: "Let's find synonyms for this boring word!"

Used duo for a while (befor the slop), but they don't stop you from just infinitely redoing the first lesson to maintain your streak so there's no incentive to learn either.

Will look at your suggestions, thanks!
@elilla This definitely works. I learned three languages in school, but I only got proficient by watching series and reading books I didn't quite understand yet. Over time it expanded my vocabulary *immensely* and strengthened the feel for the sound and rhythm of the language.

@elilla @tadbithuman Do you know of any other online English proficiency tests that are accepted by higher education institutions in the West?

I’ve personally paid for a few Duolingo tests so folks in Gaza can apply for placement and scholarships in the West and I’d rather not give them money if possible.

💕

@elilla Absolutely agreed - Duolingo are my nemesis. I dabbled in language learning app design a few years ago app (English for Chinese school children), and there is a real user need for bite-sized, independent, on-demand learning, but it needs to be backed up with actual modern pedagogical design. Duolingo is all flash, no substance

@elilla my spouse likes it, so it's part of my routine learning Dutch, along with 2 in-person private lessons weekly (w/ a book, vocab, and homework), and the practice involved in regular life. We also watch "easy Dutch" news.

We tried Pimsleur content, and it's incomplete and outdated. We've tried some of the other apps, they aren't great.

I mostly use Duolingo for drilling things for memorization.

@smeg @elilla

I found listening to pirate radio stations to help (although the music is certainly an acquired taste - its a surreal mix of Schlager, synthpop, disco country and western and seashanties 😁 )

https://geheimezender.com/

Geheimezender - Piratenstreams

Altijd & Overal - Geheimezender is de website met de meeste live streams van Etherpiraten die je maar kunt vinden.

@elilla cannot agree more, engaging with the language in context that motivates you is everything. I improved a lot my German by getting in a Betriebsrat
@elilla except duolingo does still work and does help people learn and is better than nothing and the gameification is easier on a lot of people than regular learning styles.
I hate this system bashing where people claim something is useless when it is in fact imperfect.
Same as the "google translate is worthless" arguments. Its not. Its quite handy in fact, despite not being awesome.
#rant #translation #languages #learning #Duolingo #AI
@elilla @TindrasGrove This was really useful, thank you. I wondered why in Duolingo I finished the Mandarin and Italian courses without retaining a damn thing.
@wendynather @elilla I’m reminded of @0xabad1dea saying that most of her learning strategy for Chinese is just copying things down.
@elilla I'm learning Norwegian, and I'm decent at it. As some of my Norske friends will say, but not as good as I should be. Duolingo is so repetitive. And they nag me, which I don't like. I have a bunch of other hobbies besides Norwegian you stupid fucking bird.
@praetor
I've got an advice to always use learning courses made by native speakers. For Norwegian https://lingu.no/ is often recommended. Have you used it?
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@elilla Fascinating piece, which left me feeling more than ever what a pain it is to have always found Italian newspapers so horrendously pompous and verbose. I'd read a newspaper, but not in Italian. I have done graphic novels since Asterix (in English). I'd love to be so engrossed in something that I wanted to devour it, but nothing, yet, comes close.

I'll try anything, once. What have you got?

@elilla

Thanks for the blog posts. I enjoyed reading them and found myself nodding along.

I've certainly benefited from even a few days' immersion in a French-speaking environment, and I can testify to the utter uselessness of #Duolingo for learning Ukrainian.

@elilla
Thanks, very interesting!
I discussed it (the binge method) with my partner, who is dyslexic, and she says she feels that this doesn't work well enough for her - she needs the explicit explanations to grasp grammar and the constant repetituon to not forget.
She says that research usually screens out dyslexic people, so the conclusions cannot be applied to them - is that so?
Dobyou know of language acquisition research nd methods focusing on dyslexic people?