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🐇 Val 🐇Mar 8

i have a feeling that everyone who is arguing about LLMs in the sense of stuff like productivity, quality of the output, performance or functionality of generated code, largely even licensing or whatnot is kinda missing the point

even if LLMs generated the best code in the world, i would not be using them

even if LLMs gave me the biggest ever productivity boost i would not be using them

even if the output was clean copyright-wise and fully original, i would still not be using them

i can't consciously support a worldwide slop machine that helps and finances the rise of fascism, that helps further oppression, that helps a bunch of billionaires control public opinion, that drives society-wide psychosis with far-reaching consequences, that attempts to strip all joy from activities people like while using that to make the rich even richer, and that's not even getting to environmental stuff or whatever

i'm getting left behind you say

well fuck your industry and fuck you

@q66 if i can't get hired for what i like, then i only do it because i like it, and i don't fear being "left behind"

@q66 THIS - ALL OF THIS!

TYSM FOR THESE WORDS!!!

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CW: llm pol

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@q66 not to mention all those #AI #TechBros and #billionaires are #genocidal assholes that literally want to kill EVERYONE who isn't them cuz they believe to be the only ones worthy of "Transcendance" and have their minds "uploaded into a matrix" of some kind…

Tech Billionaires Want Us Dead

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@q66 there are so so many reasons too be against genai, and the quality one is one of the weakest, yeah

@q66 and that being said those are some massive ifs i dont see the slopdustry getting over

@q66 so true.. and what i really hate, is that more an more foss projects jump on that wagon too.. its becomming really hard to find software which codebase i can 'trust'

mirabilos Mar 10

@rick @q66 I noticed both NetBSD and Qemu on the slopfree list… qemu already has linux-user emulation when running on Linux, perhaps it should gain that when running on NetBSD, to avoid the Slopnux kernel but allow running your Linux binaries (with musl (also slopfree), of course)…

@mirabilos @q66 there is a slopfree list?

mirabilos Mar 10

@rick @q66 see Fedi thread https://shrimp.starlightnet.work/notes/ajkajgdut0e60njf

mirabilos Mar 8

@q66 and the then-illegal extraction of creative humans’ works against consent and bringing the internet to the knees…

… there’s just so many things wrong with the LLMs, every single one is pretty much enough to refuse them, indeed.

well said

@q66 i’m not even using this shitty technology and i’m already paying the price in bandwidth and increased idle CPU usage on my infra. hecking pain.

from the perspective of a sysadmin sharing stuff for free, I wouldn’t use LLMs even if all of the issues you listed were solved. ffs

@q66 this feels full Stallman

@openbuddha is this ironic or should i just go and block you

@q66 you should block me as you're doing a shit take with no nuance.

Μеrlе Mar 14

@openbuddha @q66 for a therapist you're really good at dismissing someone's actual argument without engaging with a single point they made. "shit take with no nuance" isn't a rebuttal.

@see @q66 Gosh, no one has ever gone "for a therapist..." before when having an online disagreement with me.

Μеrlе Mar 14

@openbuddha @q66 if multiple people have independently made the same observation about a pattern in your behavior, that might be worth sitting with.

@see @q66 Two very emphatic strangers on the internet with very strong feelings. Sorry, I have reddit for this.

Μеrlе Mar 14

@openbuddha @q66 "no nuance" is a weird response to a post that made five distinct claims about power concentration, financing structures, cultural effects, and extraction from creative labor. you didn't engage with any of them. lots of nuance in there. you sound more like you meant "i don't like your conclusion.

f_ 🇵🇸Mar 9

@q66 I typically mention copyright issues, unproductivity and bad code to the uninitiated, but yes the issues with LLMs are deeper than just that.

And personally, really I just .. like writing code myself?
You can't be better served by anyone but yourself, that's the thing.

Quincy ⁂Mar 9

I feel the same way about this.

Chad McCullough Mar 9

@q66 Yes! This!

@q66 even if you completely ignore the financial ties with technofascists, LLMs and other GenAI models are more or less responsible for a mass psychosis. You can't trust anyone or anything you see online, you can't trust the code powering our digital lives. People actively using these models are led to believe they're so much smarter while actively having their brains rotted because why bother having a brain if you can just ask ChatGPT or Claude or w/e for anything.

Of course, you *can't* ignore the ties with technofascists because this is their work. Being able to just ask a chatbot for anything makes you unwilling to do any thinking yourself until you become unable to do it anymore. And at that point you're a slave to whoever owns the chatbots.

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@q66 couldn't have said it better myself.

furrfu 🇪🇺Mar 12

@q66 I'm not getting left behind. I'm *staying* behind.

Marianne Mar 12

@q66 hard same

Phil Haigh Mar 12

@q66 this. I’m with you. 💯

Dźwiedziu Mar 12

@q66
Yep, I'm left behind at the queue to the bio-foundries¹ or brain smoothers.

Soundtrack (cw for manual meat processing, no blood): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1jQKpse7Yw

1 https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Necrons#Biotransference_and_the_Rise_of_the_Necrons

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Cindʎ Xiao 🍉Mar 13

@q66 @peterhuene Yes exactly. Technologists are making the same mistake we have always made: Engaging with new shiny tools on the level of capabilities and technical curiosity rather than on an ideological level. This is a grave mistake when the people behind the modern AI industry have made it very clear that THEY think of AI ideologically, and have made it very clear what that ideology is.

I am once again once again asking everyone to read the Toolmen essay, by @aworkinglibrary : https://aworkinglibrary.com/writing/toolmen

Toolmen

Even the best weapon is an unhappy tool.

A Working Library

Cindʎ Xiao 🍉Mar 13

@q66 @peterhuene being "left behind" does not sound bad at all, when you follow the ideology of AI to its natural conclusion, and examine what their promised glorious future actually looks like

This is also not even close to the first time in history that unthinking technological "progress" has been mistaken for goodness or quality of life, and not the first time that people have been asked to submit to the "inevitability" of technology. The 20th century is littered with examples, from all around the world, of the reality of what those glorious futures look like. Many of those futures were rightly rejected by people, despite involving amazing technology, because they were futures that involved grinding people to dust.

@q66 for me there’s a sort of, idk feedback loop? between the quality/productivity aspect and the ethical aspect.

like: even if these were sufficiently ethical, they’re not actually any good at what they’re supposed to be good at, so why bother?

and even if they were actually effective and useful tools, they’re completely unethical and so unusable.

can’t escape from either side.

@q66 i'm sorry, but i don't see how burning billionaire's money is supporting them. if i use a free plan for example, they are losing money. i know, their bet is that i'd rely on ai at some point, so they increase the price and enshittify the thing, the usual strategy. call it hubris, but i don't think i would rely on it in order to code.

confused mango (human edition)Mar 13

@[email protected] @q66 AI services won't enshittify, it's the tool to screw people en masse in the first place.

@fp32 @q66 i'm convinced prices will go up at some point.

what do you mean by "screw people en masse"?

confused mango (human edition)Mar 13

@[email protected] @q66 A common sentiment in business circles is reducing labor costs with AI, and those who rely on LLMs for work often demonstrate stagnation or even erosion of their professional skills. As the result, people have harder time earning a living, especially when the two are combined. The only parties who benefit from this are AI companies, hence "screwing people"

Enshittificafion is not just price hikes, that definitely comes sooner or later: it's reducing product quality for the sake of profit. In that regard, I don't think they will intentionally cut corners with AI chatbots and whatnot.

Pudi 🍮Mar 14

@condret You're still driving metrics of AI use, just for management later say 'But look how many people still use it!'