i have a feeling that everyone who is arguing about LLMs in the sense of stuff like productivity, quality of the output, performance or functionality of generated code, largely even licensing or whatnot is kinda missing the point

even if LLMs generated the best code in the world, i would not be using them

even if LLMs gave me the biggest ever productivity boost i would not be using them

even if the output was clean copyright-wise and fully original, i would still not be using them

i can't consciously support a worldwide slop machine that helps and finances the rise of fascism, that helps further oppression, that helps a bunch of billionaires control public opinion, that drives society-wide psychosis with far-reaching consequences, that attempts to strip all joy from activities people like while using that to make the rich even richer, and that's not even getting to environmental stuff or whatever

i'm getting left behind you say

well fuck your industry and fuck you
@q66 even if you completely ignore the financial ties with technofascists, LLMs and other GenAI models are more or less responsible for a mass psychosis. You can't trust anyone or anything you see online, you can't trust the code powering our digital lives. People actively using these models are led to believe they're so much smarter while actively having their brains rotted because why bother having a brain if you can just ask ChatGPT or Claude or w/e for anything.

Of course, you *can't* ignore the ties with technofascists because this is their work. Being able to just ask a chatbot for anything makes you unwilling to do any thinking yourself until you become unable to do it anymore. And at that point you're a slave to whoever owns the chatbots.