@kravietz the people are the victim of every war. Putin decided to invade Ukraine, not the Russian people.
As much as I support Ukraine defending themselves and I hope they win, I find that rejoicing because people are terrified of drone attacks is sick, no matter the nationality of said people.
@FelisCatus Oh come on. The same poor people who are terrified in Novorossiysk would be happy to spent their summer times in Crimea and proudly wear CCCP t-shirts. Sorry, but I don't buy this shit that russians are good but only the president is bad.
@anarchokat161 When the Soviets packed innocent people into cattle wagons, separated families, and deported them to Siberia, it also expected victims will experience the pain.
@pawka @anarchokat161 @kravietz and it's related because...?
You kniw what, don't even bother replying. Bye.
You donāt need ā100% Russiansā to sustain a war, sorry - thatās a straw man.
Itās sufficient that majority supports the regime - which is already the case in Russia - or at least majority displays a total moral nihilism, which you also have in Russia.
I very much recommend āEichmann in Jerusalemā by Hannah Arendt for a more in-depth analysis of this phenomenon in the context of WW2. Everything we witness now has already happened 80 years ago.
If you find Russians who do finally recognise the nihilism of their compatriots, they will often employ an ultimate argument - āitās because hundreds of years of oppression, the Mongol Horde, the Ivan the Terrible and then Stalinā.
But when you fall a victim of a violent crime, do you really care what made the perpetrator commit it - is it a mental problem, childhood oppression or whatever?
No, at that point you simply want the person attacking you stop doing that, because you are the victim at the risk of losing your life. And you will employ any means to prevent the attack, leaving interpretation of the mental state of the attacker to the intellectuals of the world in their armchairs.
@FelisCatus @kravietz Oh well, some vatniks trying to push the idea that most people in ruSSia donāt support the war ended up blocking me.
Evening well spent āļø
I have already said that in my first comment - the reality in Russia had not been always āterribleā. On one hand they had free press and free speech well until 2022. On the other hand, they had Putin increasing government control over media, killing journalists and opposition figures, establishing Internet censorship.
Vast majority of Russians simply didnāt give a shit about any restrictions when they were being introduced. If anything they opportunistically supported the āstrong handā image Putin built around himself. They both metaphorically and literally built the prisons theyāre now being jailed into for ācrimesā like placing a like (!) on a VK post that says āstop warā.
So, as someone who spent ~20 years going to Russia and arguing with them about their perfect nihilism and watching them either defend Putin or say straight to my face they donāt give a shit about some killed journalists - I have zero sympathy. And those who deserved it have long left Russia.
And yes, Russians can perfectly play victims against all evidence and pretend they didnāt do or say things they said an hour before - in this aspect itās often like talking to a 5 years old with mouth full of chocolate denying he touched any chocolate. I can assure you when the war is over and ~5 years passes, Russia will be the first to moan that it has lost the most people in this war - and they will come with 100x inflated numbers of KIA & WIA theyāre now carefully hiding - and that they are the actual victim of the war. And the question who started - who said the literal words āI have made a decision to start the Special Military Operation in Ukraineā - wonāt really matter, they will just say āitās complicated, letās think about futureā.
I will just add for the others, as dates and absolute values arenāt clearly visible - this is from https://www.levada.ru/indikatory/ and the last indicator is January 2026 with āapprove 84%ā and ānot approve 12%ā
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@Schafstelze @kravietz ah yes because Russia notably has free and fair elections.
Now get lost, you stupid troll.
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