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Smootnyclown Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS 😍

Boris Marinov Mar 2

@rysiek

Ah fuck yeah my next phone might very well be a moto. Please make this happen. This can hopefully tackle the whole "security" closed system problem too
@GrapheneOS

Morten Juhl-Johansen Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS O ho. The recent Motorola phones were sweet, so that could make a LOT of sense.

Rachel Rawlings Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS As someone who's been rocking inexpensive Motorola phones for over a decade, this is the announcement I've been waiting for.

NasaGuy

Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS I can't see anything in this announcement saying explicitly that GrapheneOS will be available for Mototola phones. Did I miss something?

GrapheneOS Mar 2

@NasaGuy @rysiek The devices will provide official GrapheneOS support.

You didn't miss anything but rather this is an initial announcement of the partnership and further details will be provided in future announcements.

Carlos Solís Mar 2

Are the supported phones already released to the market, or yet to be announced?

*sigh*Ber nard Mar 2

@GrapheneOS @NasaGuy @rysiek please, please, please provide Pixel "a" price level phones

GrapheneOS Mar 2

@brnrd @NasaGuy @rysiek We want to support cheaper devices eventually but we're starting with flagships due to those being the first which will meet our security and update requirements. Snapdragon has security features segmented by SoC tier and there are better updates for the flagship devices in practice. It will trickle down to lower end devices but not completely.

🎹 Your Masto in April 🎹Mar 2

@GrapheneOS @brnrd @NasaGuy @rysiek Any step away from Google's awful Tensor chips is a step in the right direction.

notsoloud Mar 2

@NasaGuy
"collaborate on future devices engineered with GrapheneOS compatibility"

So maybe you'll have to flash it yourself, but at least the vendor is working with you rather than against you
@rysiek @GrapheneOS

@NasaGuy what about the bit I quoted?

> Motorola and the GrapheneOS Foundation will work to strengthen smartphone security and collaborate on future devices engineered with GrapheneOS compatibility.

This seems to at least suggest they will be working on a Motorola device with GrapheneOS on it. I don't see how this could be interpreted differently in the context of what Motorola and GrapheneOS do?

nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 sesja linuksowa ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpn Mar 2

@rysiek didn’t expect anything good from Motorola Mobility so this is just another reason to never touch their devices

@mkljczk what? How is partnering with GrapheneOS bad?

nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 sesja linuksowa ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpn Mar 2

@rysiek they use their project communication channels to spread bs about projects including postmarketOS and GNOME participating in harassment of GrapheneOS team. I don’t expect corporations like Lenovo to ‘love open source’ but working with a foundation that’s explicitly hostile towards FOSS communities is unacceptable.

@mkljczk @rysiek Yeah, there's a reason I have their accounts blocked everywhere 🙃

@dos @mkljczk this is why we can't have nice things, sigh.

Yeah, I am aware of GrapheneOS's "communication style". It's bad, no question. But I will remain excited about a major mobile vendor teaming up with an project that remains – for better or worse – the gold standard of Android security, as this will help make this level of security available to many, many more people.

nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 sesja linuksowa ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpn Mar 2

@rysiek @dos is ‘bad’ really all you can say about accusing FOSS project communities and team members of engaging in harassment, comparing them to KiwiFarms…? We won’t ever have nice things if we accept bullying of FOSS developers.

@mkljczk @dos yes, "bad" is the word I use.

Within the FOSS community, of which GrapheneOS happens to also be a part of by the way, we have a broader problem with shit-slinging between projects. GrapheneOS is part of that problem and I would love them stop doing that.

At the same time, I live in a world where there are literally no ethical choices. We are communicating via software right now made by an organization that had been on the receiving end of a lot of valid criticism over the years.

@mkljczk @dos people need to be able to access safe, secure, privacy-preserving mobile operating systems made by someone who is not Google and is not Apple.

GrapheneOS – with all their undoubtedly shitty approach to communicating with/about other projects – is an option here, and if that option gets picked up by a major smartphone brand, I am going to celebrate.

Everyone draws their own line somewhere. You're free to draw it differently. 🤷‍♀️

nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 sesja linuksowa ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpn Mar 2

@rysiek @dos Yeah, agree on the first paragraph, that’s why I prefer to support postmarketOS instead of a soft fork of Google’ operating system that coincidentally also engages in misinformation about the former.

@mkljczk great, you do you and I wish postmarketOS best of luck, hopefully some large smartphone brand also picks them for a partner and we get real choice in the mobile OS space.

That said, postmarketOS is in no way in the same space as GrapheneOS. As an information security person I would not recommend postmarketOS to people doing dangerous work and being at risk from APTs in a way I would recommend GrapheneOS.

@dos

nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 sesja linuksowa ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpn Mar 2

@rysiek @dos no, you can’t wish pmOS best of luck while expressing excitement about their bullies entering into a large partnership

@mkljczk you seem to have an axe to grind, that's great, but I would appreciate it if you went somewhere else to grind it.

@dos

@rysiek @mkljczk In this particular case it really goes much further than just "shit-slinging between projects".

@dos as I already said, you are more than welcome to draw your own line differently than I draw mine.

@mkljczk

@rysiek @mkljczk Well, obviously, you haven't been on the receiving end of that.

@dos organization I work for has.

@mkljczk

@rysiek @mkljczk So has the one I do, it gets tons of flak, but it hits somewhat different when it's not some random confused "fan" but the main face behind a well-known project that threatens you personally to hamper your professional carrier just because they didn't like getting their bullshit corrected.

And I wouldn't bother to reply if it was just about me. It's an established pattern.

@dos tell you what, I will personally help you call them out on that kind of bullshit next time it happens if you allow me to enjoy for a moment the fact that next time an investigative journalist working on a high-profile story asks for advice I will potentially be able to recommend something else than Apple devices without being dangerously negligent.

@mkljczk

@rysiek @mkljczk Yeah, I totally get that. I just wanted to react to hand-waving it as just your usual FLOSS infighting, bad communication, overpassionate nerds being overpassionate nerds etc. as that's very much not what it is.

derptron Mar 2

@rysiek @dos @mkljczk Someone else was pointing out in their original thread that Motorola is also very deeply in bed with Israel and directly supporting the genocide over there.

With that in mind, we probably can't trust that this will remain openly available. Instead, what we may be watching is Graphene being brought to heel. With much funding comes much control.

Time will tell. I'm going to go ahead and keep breathing normally.

Ray McCarthy Mar 2

@mkljczk @rysiek
Which / what Motorola?

It was split in 3.
Google got phones and phone IP and (licenced?) the Motorola phones are Chinese.
Nokia got the comms infrastructure.
Semiconductors further split (maybe earlier).

There is no actual Motorola (see also RCA which is now a brand owned by Thomson).

nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 sesja linuksowa ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpn Mar 2

@raymaccarthy @rysiek I explicitly mentioned Motorola Mobility (Lenovo)

Ray McCarthy Mar 2

@mkljczk @rysiek
That's just a brand licenced from Google. Not a real company.

Large Format Projectionist Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS

Oh this is verrrrry cool.

Tris Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS Will it have something like Titan M2 or Secure Enclave?

Bill, organizer of stuff Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS This makes so much sense. Moto (such as it is, as an entity) has been the closest to stock Android for a long time, and their phones are excellent. I can't wait!

Damian Fajfer Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS that is some great news. I'm glad that Graphene found a manufacturer

GarretSidzaka Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS @EdTheDev
Will the fact that this is still android be a problem? While I would never accuse Google of acting in bad faith with their OS, of course.

atopoeia-o Mar 2

@rysiek @GrapheneOS You're talking about Motorola/China not Motorola/US right?

GrapheneOS Mar 2

@nom @rysiek You can see we're talking about Motorola Mobility from the linked page. Motorola Mobility was purchased by Google and then sold to Lenovo which is a Chinese company. Motorola Mobility is still largely based in the US. They moved to using Lenovo's semi-in-house manufacturing as part of them integrating it rather than fully outsourcing it to a separate Chinese manufacturer as Apple and Google do with Foxconn.