NomNomThis brilliant campaign from Quebec shows exactly what it takes to get motorists to actually yield
I can already hear the carbrainrotten screaming “But thats dangerous, what if i run into it” as if the danger wasnt their own fault for going too fast and not yielding.
They might get a few scratches from those flimsy flexible plastics but it’s not dangerous.
They’ll definitely compassion about the possibility for scratches screaming, “that could damage my property!” though.
Make them metal bars that rise up, like those that are placed at the entrance of some stores to deter vehicular raid. That will quickly make them re-evaluate.
WIZARD POPE💫Yeah make them reinforced barriers.
Bollards
Thank you! Learned a new word.
I’d be more worried about them coming back down on pedestrians.
Yeah ofc this specific implementation was just supposed to be an art piece i guess. In practice you just have to use those concrete pillars or ramps that come out of the ground.
Yes of course, these would never hold up to any regulatory standards.
daggermoonQuebec W
Imagine if all painted infrastructure did this haha.
Right at the end there it shows a side effect of this installation that by itself is useful in bringing the cars to a reasonable speed when approaching the crosswalk every time, not just when there’s a pedestrian: the crossing is raised.
Off the top of my head I can’t remember how common raised crossings are in Montréal, but they are effective. This demonstration is quite fun though, I was expecting a bunch of body guards to pop out and create a wall across the roadway and the instant fence caught me off guard.
Just For Laughs gags meets traffic engineering.
Raised crosswalks weren’t too common in most burroughs of Montréal when I left, but alternative road surfaces for slower zones we’re gaining popularity.
Will be broken after a few winters. Frozen water is not friend.
They won’t last long enough to be damaged by ice before someone drives into them.
It’s only there to produce the video.
Everyone shown here, including the drivers, are acting.
No one suggests implementing this for real.
Everyone shown here, including the drivers, are acting.
No one suggests implementing this for real.
Except that it will take much more than this to ‘motivate’ any car brain here to actually stop. Those stopping for pedestrian crossings here are the exception. So much so that some towns “don’t know what to do” about it and ask pedestrians to wave orange flags to cross busy streets.
Fuck flags. Carry an umbrella and hold it in front of you (closed) as you approach the crossing.
This triggers the car brain, since it would scratch their paint if they hit it, which is much, much worse than killing a human.
This triggers the car brain, since it would scratch their paint if they hit it, which is much, much worse than killing a human.
I had to calm myself down when I realized how right you were and how fucked up that is.
I’m sorry if this uncalms you again, but I find it hilarious:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0HBd_u-Fs
Really shows that drivers do see you approaching a crosswalk but just decide to ignore you, unless you equalize the power imbalance.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0HBd_u-Fs
Really shows that drivers do see you approaching a crosswalk but just decide to ignore you, unless you equalize the power imbalance.
Here's the story behind that video of free bricks offered to Vancouver pedestrians
We have those where I live. Crosswalk compliance is decent here, but these don’t get anyone to stop who wasn’t going to stop anyway, and they get stolen all the time.
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Many drivers won’t stop unless they’re forced to by a physical barrier, and some still won’t stop. Ever seen those videos from Europe of bus lane bollards that retract when a bus approaches and pop back up again after the bus passes, and the cars wrecked on them? Those are much more solid barriers than these plastic things.
Those plastic things are just for show, as part of the campaign, which is why the drivers seem surprised that they’re there. They’re not actually installed on any roads. But having them pop up as the car approaches if there’s a pedestrian on the corner makes it obvious that the car needs to stop.
RememberTheApollo_Put a stop sign up. No need for the ridiculously complex system. A simple stop sign would do.
SpaceCowboyIf there’s a stop sign you’d need to come to a stop even if there’s no pedestrians at the cross walk. If cars would stop when there’s a pedestrian then they only need to stop when there’s a pedestrian.
As someone who seldom drives, sure put up a stop sign. But it would be better for drivers if it didn’t have to come to that.
This ridiculous pop-up crosswalk is a rube goldberg stop sign. Overly complex and definitely is something that will take plenty of maintenance to keep clear and operating correctly. Imagine if all or part were to fail in the “up” position. The only benefit is operation on-demand vs a small inconvenience to drivers and a large increase in safety to pedestrians.
For the purposes of this discussion, a stop sign is easily the correct solution and a minor inconvenience. Either that, or station an officer there randomly and rake in the ticket fees for failing to yield to a pedestrian in the crosswalk.
I think the pop-up crosswalk was just done for the advertisement, it’s not a permanent thing.
There is no perfect system. This ridiculous and complex system is a maintenance nightmare, and following your logic, it’s just as possible someone will hit it. Get over it.
This is not a “system,” it’s a PSA campaign. These aren’t installed anywhere, they were just put there to make the ads.
I’m aware of that. I can’t believe people are arguing for it.
But the crosswalk is a stop sign if a pedestrian is using it in most modern traffic codes, and even if you are only about to use it (visible intent to cross), 80 countries agree that is enough to give you right of way on a crosswalk. Visually a crosswalk is just completely unmistakable, so what would adding another stop sign do?
If those rules are unclear, maybe trafic education is lacking? Or maybe repercussions are not enough, maybe increase the fines or chance to get fined?
Interestingly Qatar, Macao and Singapore place the burden of safety on the pedestrians while crossing a crosswalk(very cool for pedestrians, famously lacking about 1 to 2 tons of steel cage to protect them during a collision with a car).
Because psychologically people are far less likely to run a stop than roll through a crosswalk with someone still in it, you know there’s a big fine for blowing a stop vs failing to yield which, plainly in this very video clip, nobody is likely to get ticketed for. And you completely sidestepped the maintenance and cost issues with this system. Guaranteed this thing is broken quickly and often.
Whatever. Y’all got some messed up logic.
I’m not advocating for this system anywhere, just that crosswalks should be more then enough in a lot of circumstances. Clearly, it’s not in Quebec.
Your statement that rolling a stop sign is less likely then a crosswalk seems crazy to me. They are both a stop sign. Both fines are very expensive here.
It’s cute but this is from the same province that would rather blame immigrant drivers for road fatalities than the failing, inconsistent infrastructure and terrible driver training.
In Montreal, the drivers are bad enough that turning right on red lights was banned because we couldn’t stop killing pedestrians.
pticrixTurning on right policy was never enabled in Montreal. And wtf you going on about blaming immigrant drivers? Source please, because this sounds like some divisive bullshit from the ROC.
BlisterexeYeah literally every time Quebec is brought up people say shit like that it’s insane
Because Ontario doesn’t test truck drivers, Quebec wanted to ban them.
On paper we test but it’s really corrupt and companies are basically given x number of licenses.
I imagine this person took it to thinking they were mad that they are majority immigrants rather than living in Ontario and seeing how unsafe our roads have gotten.
AnUnusualRelicMaybe immigrants from the US. I’d believe that they could be worse drivers.
Definitely not my opinion about immigrant drivers being a major source of accidents …our elected officials on the other hand…
Québec restreint l’accès à la possibilité de conduire pour les immigrants
I mean, I might be wrong, but from a quick research, it seems that our program is still more lenient than (most?) other provinces. e.g. :
- people from non-reciprocal jurisdiction can drive for 6 months with their permit from their country of provenance. Alberta is 90 days. Manitoba is 3 months.
- Like in these provinces, you now gotta take a driver’s test. If you fail, you get demoted to apprentice, not completely permitless. Sure, being an apprentice driver can be constraining - more or less depending on your situation - but it’s not something that can’t be remedied in the following year.
I am in no way knowledgeable in the intricacies of policies on the right to drive a vehicle, but from what I gather, it seems to all be pretty regular and taking into account data. Now, is the data good? I am not in a place to say, so if you’re educated about that let us know what you find reprehensible in there.
And all that doesn’t removes from the fact that our infrastructure is not properly maintained and developed, and hat many people in the province are not courteous drivers, in some region more than others (from my experience growing up outside of Montreal before moving to the city - where I come from, most drivers seemed to be motivated to make your life miserable).
YerboutiMontréal never banned right on red.
No right on red was the default, then most of Canada enabled right on red in the 1970, but Québec did not. Québec later enabled right on red by default in 2003, but Montréal (island) retained no right on red.
And RToR is bad everywhere. We’veknow it for a long time, but have jsut collectivelydecoded the cost was worth it. Here’s an article from Victoira in 1981 talking about it newspapers.com/…/times-colonist-victoria-may-5-19…
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I stand by one of the greatest difficulties for everyone on/around the road in Montreal is that they don’t consistently follow traffic conventions accepted across the rest of the country (almost continent). Makes decisions less confident, less predictable and less safe across the board. I love their unique take in most other areas.
Makes decisions less confident, less predictable
Valid opinion, I’d be interested to see if there is some data to confirm or deny it. It’s different than my experiences, but I did live and drive there, so obviously it comes with a bias.
and less safe across the board.
Incorrect. Montréal has a low collision frequency and low serious injury and fatal collision rate compared to most the country/contient.
As a headsup, pedestrian deaths at crossings is consistently higher in places where right on red is legal. It’s not bad drivers, it’s a bad law enabling bad driving.
