Imagine if US voters had picked Kamala Harris. She would have continued the Ukraine weapons support, she would have kept the strong alliances with Europe, and she would never have killed the Iran nuclear deal.
Together we could have forced Putin out of Ukraine, there would have been no new, wider war in The Middle East, and the NATO alliance would have been stronger than ever. And in that situation, I think our economies would have been considerably stronger too.
Populism derailed all that.
@randahl I... whut? Who was President in 2014? (Doubly applicable for both Ukraine and Syria.)
Which President did Denmark wiretap its EU neighbours for?
Which President limited the weapons range and aid for Ukraine?
Who is Jake Sullivan?
Who is Ben Rhodes?
etc. etc.
i still don't understand your point
i think you don't understand my point
you make a decision at every crossroads
you don't look at past crossroads and conclude the existence of crossroads are the problem, therefore all decisions now are as bad as all decisions then
right?
if you agree, then what are you trying to say?
@benroyce @jasper89 @randahl The OP romanticises this: "she would have kept the strong alliances with Europe". This is... not my desired outcome, regardless of who is your President.
(Not that I haven't made my peace with the cowardice of most of the EUCO. I'm not getting 🇪🇺 strategic autonomy if you ever have free elections again, someone like President Sexy Bateman will result in Merz & co. begging to go back to living in your basement fulltime, like the world's oldest hikikomori.)
@screwturn @Veza85UE @jasper89 @randahl
veza85UE doesn't care
they are vibing on european independence
which is fine
of course in their vibing they are saying some pretty fucking ignorant shit
but they don't care about the usa, it's a lost cause to them. which is again, fine. they should realize though they'll get pushback if they say stupid shit
if they don't care about the usa (again: fine), they should scope their words to european concerns only
@screwturn @benroyce @jasper89 @randahl
It won't last* and it's not going fast enough, but since you asked:
https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-defence-industry/safe-security-action-europe_en
https://kyivindependent.com/france-replaces-us-as-main-intelligence-provider-to-kyiv-macron-says/
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/digital_euro/html/index.en.html
* well, the digital euro might and some backup military infrastructure as long as Germany and co don't have to spend TOO much on it
Adopted by the Council of the European Union on the 27th of May 2025, Security Action for Europe (SAFE) is the EU’s new financial instrument designed to support Member States in joint investments in defence industrial production, with a focus on closing critical capability gaps.
@Veza85UE @screwturn @jasper89 @randahl
see i totally fucking love this, as an american
i'm glad europe is stepping up
but why can't you celebrate this without also understanding the fall of the usa is unfortunate
for you
if you want to vibe on "fuck the usa" have at it, but it doesn't impart any real meaning or rational concern
put it this way:
if you don't want to spend $500 billion also fighting the USA, as well as russia, you're not so happy that the usa is going rotten
@benroyce @screwturn @jasper89 @randahl
I do want to spend most of the 14 TRILLION euros sitting unused in 🇪🇺 bank accounts on never having to give a single shit about who your President is. On projects like this:
On IRIS2, on ISR. On nukes. Whatever it takes.
The opposite of love isn't hate.
(Most tankies have instant recall of both the most arcane details about your politicians and entire episodes of that shitty laughtrack sitcom from the 90s).
It's indifference.
Randahl Fink
Veza85UE
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jasper89
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