Tony Finchlinkspam!
Youtube2Webpage, if you much better from text than from videos.
https://github.com/obra/Youtube2Webpage
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Simon Tatham@fanf I just can't even from videos
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Mark Dominus
PhilWill@mjd @simontatham @fanf as someone who is paid to make videos explaining things (often of a slightly technical nature)
my first question for clients is usually, "why should this be a video?"
closely followed by "what documentation are you currently using?"
Kevin Karhan 
Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] +1 Unlike a #Video, I can actually #search a #documentation and unlike a video, I can get a translation either automated or at an acceptable price.
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Le Néandertal se sent las, las
I AM BANKSY ☕ / 🗑🔥@mjd one of those is at least 900 places too low on the list. No, not the video.
Unless it's a video of the other one
Iris Young (he/they/she) (PhD)@mjd @simontatham @fanf although tbh spray painted on the side of a cow should be higher up. Afaik cows still don't have ads and don't try to stop you from leaving.
proedie@proedie @mjd @simontatham @fanf I was totally imagining meeting the cow out in the field. No cows were harmed in the making of this documentation.
@iris @mjd @simontatham @fanf Then it might be okay, if your interpretation of vegan isn’t to strict. 👍🐄
@iris @mjd @simontatham @fanf I live in the city, though. So all I would get, would be a video of a spray painted cow. 🙄
@proedie @mjd @simontatham @fanf computer work would be more fun if it involved field trips to track down the relevant cows. The most technically savvy among us are friends with the cows and can identify them individually from great distances, and the cows preferentially approach them for updates. Hasty programmers and engineers don't bother building rapport with the cows, so it takes them a lot more work to make any changes to the docs, and that's why their work sucks. You can't rush a cow, or force them to do anything they don't want to do. They outweigh you and out-stubborn you. You've got to respect the cow if you want to get anything done.
@proedie @iris @mjd @simontatham the city cows were not on midsummer common when we cycled through the other day https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/whats-on/gallery/23-pictures-cows-cambridge-just-14492336
Myke@proedie @iris @mjd @simontatham @fanf willing to bet the propellants are somehow fossil-fuel derived, and AFAIK, fossils aren’t vegan.
@proedie @mWare @mjd @simontatham @fanf this has fascinating implications. How long does something need to be dead before it is used to qualify as vegan?
@iris @mWare @mjd @simontatham @fanf It needs to have died without human intervention incl. breeding. So, yes, in theory a vegan could eat a dead deer they found in the woods, but why would they?
@proedie @mWare @mjd @simontatham @fanf ...for sustenance? Or they could make fur and leather goods, along with ivory, fish oil, lard, etc. I'm not here to argue about any of this (and for that matter I'm dead certain there are vegans who will disagree with each other on it). Just exploring the limits of this rule.
@iris @mWare @mjd @simontatham @fanf I think it’s very tedious to walk through the wood looking for dead animals. Sure, you could look for roadkill and try to use that for leather. I am sure there are some people doing that. But I dought it brings you enough money to sustain your life.
Ben Pfaff
I am Jack's Found 404@blp @iris @mjd @simontatham @fanf
Moovie >> video 👍
silhouette 
@silhouette @mjd @simontatham @fanf Oh yeah, #discord is even worse garbage cuz you cannot index that shite!
- It's an #InformationBlackhole with unavceptable #ToS and rapid onset #Enshittification!https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114188059483579596
Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] +1 Unlike a #Video, I can actually #search a #documentation and unlike a video, I can get a translation either automated or at an acceptable price.
Gerardo Lisboa
m0xEE@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
Thing spray painted on the side of a cow is definitely easier to comprehend than a video 😂
Thing spray painted on the side of a cow is definitely easier to comprehend than a video 😂
NotBlackMagic@mjd @simontatham @fanf Ok, at the risk of getting booed here, I sometimes use videos when I'm totally lost. Sometimes, interfaces change, and some written documentations are not updated. With a visual, you immediately notice the difference instead of searching for an option that got removed or renamed anyways. I guess, accompanying a wiki or written doc with screenshots would do that, too.
Impossible Umbrella 
@CASSCFenjoyer @mjd @simontatham @fanf I’d like to add another use case in defence of videos. I’m dyslexic and so learn much better in lectures or if someone talks through the thing they’re doing. Now, that said I 100% agree that there are lots of *terrible* videos … but a good video is worth its weight in gold to someone of my neurotype. YMMV. Horses for courses. Etc.
arclight@CASSCFenjoyer @mjd @simontatham @fanf Given the garbage state of UI design and the abandonment of UI design standards, a video may be the only way to quickly and effectively explain a complex* or nonstandard* UI. Add to this dynamic* UIs with no clear way to reset the UI to a familiar or default condition.
An exercise: Verbally explain how to do a task or change settings in a modern GUI application that lacks standard UI elements like menu bars or uses non-standard icon sets.
This is not arguing the superiority of video, it's more an indictment of the utter trash fire that is phone app/web app UI design and the vacuous and user-hostile designers and product managers who inflict their incompetence and churn on hapless users and admins every damn day. Video documentation is often a Band-Aid applied to the sucking chest wound of a bad UI.
[*] Feel free to prefix with the word "needlessly"
Emmanuel Leblond
jurishon@mjd @simontatham @fanf
And give me examples
And especially for python, give me the expected argument type. Is the port a string like "com3" , is it a serial port object or just 3?
And give me examples
And especially for python, give me the expected argument type. Is the port a string like "com3" , is it a serial port object or just 3?
Chloé Raccoon@mjd @patterfloof My issue with this is the ending at 999. I would want 4 digits...
Arnim Sommer 🇪🇺
diffie :3 (bindiff)@ArnimRanthoron Oh yes, the list is numbered in hexadecimal and there are actually more items! Now, it makes a sense.
Faraiwe
peterb@mjd @simontatham @fanf New video idea just dropped!
[Goes to find cow and spray paint]
X_Cli ⏚
andrel@x_cli @mjd @simontatham @fanf
The only cows I remember mentioned at a conference was from some Texas guy that built a defibrillator that could be used on cows. With enough power to BBQ the cow when using highest settings, or so he claimed.
The only cows I remember mentioned at a conference was from some Texas guy that built a defibrillator that could be used on cows. With enough power to BBQ the cow when using highest settings, or so he claimed.
John William David Thomson@bytehouwer @x_cli @mjd @simontatham @fanf is that the backup plan for if it doesn't work? We're either getting this cow heart attack fixed or making enough steak to give ourselves one.
Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/XnLVQylARRQ?si=UGIrL4iSEtBEDGck
That Mitchell & Webb Look - Animal Clinic [HQ]
Robotistry@x_cli @mjd @simontatham @fanf Video is not the same as presentation.
Presentation would be high on the list, somewhere after "one-on-one tutorial".
Video combines the worst elements of presentation (provides only one way of describing/looking at the questions people might have, unsearchable and in a fixed order, taking a fixed amount of time even for short/simple questions) with the worst elements of written documentation (can't ask questions or get clarification on confusing or inaccurate points).
blurk
maple@mjd People learn in different ways. Technical documents are fine for those who understand them and can relate to them, but many people would prefer the video. That's especially true when the technical document is not written for the end user (hint: 99% of programmers appear to be genetically incapable of writing documentation that users can understand), or if it misses an important step every now and then.
The reason many people hate videos is because the creators don't know how to shut up and get to the point (and drag what could be a five minute video out to an hour long exposition), or because they use terrible AI voiceovers and irrelevant illustrations, or because they don't include all the steps in the video description so they can be copy pasted. But the nice thing about videos is you get to see all the steps as they are performed, and you get to see how the computer responds after each step, so you have a much better idea if you are doing it right. Many people just need that visual assurance. I know I learn much more easily, and retain the information muck longer if I can watch someone do something rather than read how to do something, but I am a visual learner. The only thing that would be better, and maybe someday we will have them are interactive videos where you can see how it's done AND interrupt and ask questions along the way. Which is something an #AI could probably do someday, if they don't destroy humanity first and stop hallucinating answers.
pebcak@pebcak @mjd I don't disagree, that is my #1 complaint about it too. People making videos seen to develop terminal cases of diarrhea of the mouth.
Do keep in mind that on YouTube at least it is easy to increase the playback speed to compensate for the slow talkers, but unfortunately that does nothing to remove all the irrelevant and unnecessary content.
Luna
John Ulrik@mjd Seems to be a generational preference. I totally agree, but where I tend to look for documentation, specifications, and books, younger colleagues go for blog posts, and even younger ones for videos. But haven’t people been complaining about deteriorating language since the beginning of time? 🤷🏻♂️
@ujay68 @mjd
It's more about deteriorating of searchability and being forced to listen for 15 minutes of nonsense to get information worth 5 seconds of reading.
"Generational thing" is artificially created by YT marketing forcing vloggers to inflate timing and SM addiction created partly by the same marketing.
It's more about deteriorating of searchability and being forced to listen for 15 minutes of nonsense to get information worth 5 seconds of reading.
"Generational thing" is artificially created by YT marketing forcing vloggers to inflate timing and SM addiction created partly by the same marketing.
@tyx True, information density in podcasts and videos is mostly ridiculously low. Not sure however whether this a "supply" thing only?
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