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Simon Waldman Feb 26

@alice ....and yet European countries still (so far as I understand it) refuse asylum claims on the basis that "The USA is a Safe Country".

@swaldman @alice

Personally, I would recommend Americans who need to escape to Europe to move there via a student visa. Those are much easier to get, and you will have a much better status - you can get part-time jobs with them.

@juergen_hubert @swaldman @alice USAmericans need to stay and clean up the mess they created for themselves. There isn't enough room in Europe to host half their population. USAmericans have not done enough to prevent this, now they need to get up their lazy asses & stop this desaster. You don't want to hear this I am sure, yet this is the reality.

@Ilka4You @swaldman @alice

Look, while I can understand this sentiment, there are plenty of Americans who _aren't_ complete assholes and who are not in any way responsible for this mess.

@juergen_hubert @swaldman @alice I do know. I have lived in USA, have family & friends in USA I very much love. Yet, everyone who let this happen either by voting, or especially by NOT voting, or by ignoring, or by avoiding political talks with MAGA supporters is guilty. That would be everyone. Nothing will change if the "good ones" flee. It needs the good ones to stay and fight. Fact: we have no room in Europe to take them all in. Housingcrisis. Fleeing JUST relocates the problem to Europe.

@Ilka4You @swaldman @alice

I hate this line of reasoning because this is the _exact_ same argument made by German right-wing politicians for why Syrian refugees should return to Syria.

It's easy to say that others should fight for their rights if you are not part of the marginalized group that is being oppressed.

@juergen_hubert IMO it is very much different. SYR's couldn't have prevented what came upon them. They couldn't have changed anything except for dying vs being alife. USAmericans are the only ones who can end the regime they brought upon themselves. If half of them flee now it is out of convenience, not need. No one ould be left to stand up & you will have an even more devastating situation for them & the world. Research the market sit. in Europe before suggesting to move here. @swaldman @alice

@Ilka4You @swaldman @alice

Please tell me exactly how, for example Black people "could have prevented what came upon them" with the Trump Administration. Or trans people.

Risking death while fighting an evil regime is honorable. Telling _other_ people to risk death while fighting an evil regime... is less so. I will judge Trump supporters, but I will _not_ judge others who have to make that kind of decision.

@juergen_hubert they could have done so much. 1 very effective example: they could have voted, instead of not voting, they didn't because many said "dems or reps are all the same" and added to the problem. @swaldman @alice

@Ilka4You @juergen_hubert @swaldman @alice

Njord

As an American who fled to The EU 2022, I feel like you have a few erroneous assumptions.

1. America isn't a healthy democracy, the correct term is "defective democracy" (which it has officially been classified as for a decade, I'll note), and the 2024 election was bad even by those standards, with the Democrats *appointing* a historically weak candidate who ran a weaker campaign with policy positions that were deeply out of step with the majority of Democratic voters.

2. That it would be bad for Europe if a few million (I sincerely doubt it'll top 5 million, and even that's probably *far* too high) Americans who wanted to escape fascism moved to Europe.

3. That anybiody would flee their home country, because it's "convenient." it's fear and despair, it's politicians calling for your arrest or worse, it's wanting to just live your life in peace.

Anyhow, to go back to the OP's first post, trans people in America are facing literal genocide (That's not hyperbole, it's the official opinion of The Lemkin institute (https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans), so please don't tell them (or any one else targeted by the current regime for that matter) that they should stay if they want to flee.

Experts Warn U.S. in Early Stages of Genocide Against Trans Americans

Genocide scholars say policies targeting transgender Americans match early warning signs of mass atrocity.This piece has been updated from its original email version.Genocide scholars are sounding the alarm over what they describe as escalating attacks targeting transgender, nonbinary, and intersex Americans in the United States.Experts, including two former presidents of the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS), warn that the nation may already be in the early stages of committ

Lemkin Institute