Andre LouisFeb 17

Let's talk about 'Move Everything':

An unofficial framework for running custom instruments, effects, and controllers on Ableton Move.
Move Everything adds a Shadow UI that runs alongside stock Move, enabling additional Synths, FX, and other tools to run in parallel to the usual UI.

One person, Charles Vestal has managed to slipstream a screen-reader directly onto Move using either Flight or ESpeak-NG, taking advantage of Ableton's own Screen-Reader data and also made it so that the WiFi pin that their web-based offering doesn't read, reads on-device.
The guy is an actual genius.
It does way more than I can begin to mention here, but for the first time ever, we have a groovebox with screen-reader that is 100% actually stand-alone, no need to be tied to a phone or computer of any kind.
Links:
Move Everything: https://github.com/charlesvestal/move-anything
Installers: https://github.com/charlesvestal/move-everything-installer/releases/tag/v0.2.8
Documentation: https://github.com/charlesvestal/move-anything/blob/main/MANUAL.md
CC @pkirn

Show threadScottFeb 17
@FreakyFwoof @pkirn Woooooah, wicked. How's the responsiveness of the screen reader? What voice does it use? Does it have speech interrupt? There's a note on the repo landing page about it not being suitable as a daily driver yet, how's stability been for you?
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 17
@Scott @pkirn As I say, ESpeak-NG or Flight. It's not as responsive as NVDA with Tyler's helper tweak but it's more than good enough.
Show threadScottFeb 17
@FreakyFwoof Somehow I missed both of those words, too excited lol. @pkirn
Show threadBorrisFeb 17
@Scott @FreakyFwoof @pkirn Don't know if it will go anywhere, but I pointed Charles at DECtalk, too, because why not? We already know it performs well on a Raspberry Pi.
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 17
@BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Let's not get him to add Piper though haha
Show threadBorrisFeb 17
@FreakyFwoof @Scott @pkirn Well... Piper on a Pi is actually not the worst thing I've ever used. Yes, it would suck, but it would run... as long as you're not doing anything else at all.
Show threadSimon JaegerFeb 17
@BorrisInABox @FreakyFwoof @Scott @pkirn Easy solution. Put a cashing layer between the synth and Move. If the file exists, play it. If not, generate it with a small delay. Was already thinking about doing something like this. I didn't consider Piper. I bet it could work.
Show threadBorrisFeb 17
@simon @FreakyFwoof @Scott @pkirn I think that's basically what he did with flight.
Show threadSimon JaegerFeb 20
@BorrisInABox @FreakyFwoof @Scott @pkirn Unless i'm reading this wrong, it looks like the move-everything TTS has a built-in 300MS buffer to avoid speaking events rapidly. IMO this is *way* too long, and it's probably part of the reason the TTS lags. I don't know what it takes to build this thing (I do have a lot of Raspbery Pi's, so maybe I can). but I'm either going to experiment with a much lower buffer or suggest making it configurable.
Should be pretty simple to hack whatever local or remote TTS we want in there as well. Even without modifying it, we could just create a fake flight executable that calls Voxin on a remote server or whatever.
But yeah. if you notice 300MS latency, that's seemingly by design.
Source: https://github.com/charlesvestal/move-anything/blob/main/docs/tts-architecture.md
Show threadsuper hellFeb 21
@simon @BorrisInABox @FreakyFwoof @Scott @pkirn You’re right! This was by design to prevent repeated messages (you can see in my original screen reader demo video), but it sounds like the feedback is that this should be adjustable. Happy to do so
Show threadQuinFeb 21
@charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @FreakyFwoof @Scott @pkirn Yes, please make this adjustable. Just installed move anything and I love it, but oof I can feel the lag.
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 24
@TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn He just did. Now try it once you update... I'm in bed so I have to wait to do this...
Show threadBri🥰
@FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn I've heard it. It's insane how responsive it is now.
Feb 24 at 7:22amWeb
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 24
@Bri @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Where did you hear it? I just updated and damn, that's now faster than NVDA with the helper tweak. Daaaamn!
Show threadBri🥰Feb 24
@FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Borris himself sent an audio clip at my faysh
Show threadBri🥰Feb 24
@FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn That damn Borris is trying to get me to spend money.
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 24
@Bri @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn I'm good at that too. Spend it. right now. Go ahead. Do the thing.
Show threadBri🥰Feb 24
@FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn It's so damn tempting
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@FreakyFwoof @Bri @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Oh they managed to make me do it as well. And I only saw all the Mastodon posts about it. Do it, I think you'd actually like it.
Show threadBri🥰Feb 24
@jonathan859 @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn oh I'm sure I actually would.
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @charlesv @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Well then... :D
Show threadsuper hellFeb 24
@FreakyFwoof @Bri @TheQuinbox @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn :)
Show threadScottFeb 24
Well @charlesv has made me very happy and my wallet a little sad. @FreakyFwoof @Bri @TheQuinbox @simon @BorrisInABox @pkirn
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 24
@Scott @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @simon @BorrisInABox @pkirn Haa! Welcome to the club.
Show threadScottFeb 24
@FreakyFwoof I'm not quite in yet. Bidding on a preowned one with a heart full of hope. @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @simon @BorrisInABox @pkirn
Show threadQuinFeb 24
@charlesv @FreakyFwoof @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Holy shiiiiiiit what the fuck that is responsive! Hoooooly whoa
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@TheQuinbox @charlesv @FreakyFwoof @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Anyone a short audio? At work right now but I must hear the awesomeness XD. Or actually, can update in about 2 hours.
Show threadsuper hellFeb 24
@jonathan859 @TheQuinbox @FreakyFwoof @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@charlesv @TheQuinbox @FreakyFwoof @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Very, very nice!
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 24
@charlesv @jonathan859 @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn It's stupid fast and I absolutely love it.
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@FreakyFwoof @charlesv @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn How do I install/update it? The last installer release was from 3 days ago. Do I just run that or?
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 24
@jonathan859 @charlesv @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Same installer will always update, including updating itself if necessary, so don't delete.
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@FreakyFwoof @charlesv @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Ok perfect. Thanks
Show threadQuinFeb 24
@jonathan859 @FreakyFwoof @charlesv @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Press shift+menu, hit back, then select update.
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 24
@jonathan859 @charlesv @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn You can also update from move directly by doing Shift +Vol +Step 2 and going to updates, as you wish.
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@FreakyFwoof @charlesv @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Oooh, amazing.
Show threadAndre LouisFeb 24
@jonathan859 @charlesv @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Would recommend joining charles's discord and my WhatsApp if you want to, more specialised than just mastodon.
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@FreakyFwoof @charlesv @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Yup I'm in there. Figured just asking here since we already talked about it but for sure more useful than this loong Masto thhread. So who's not on the DC at least come join us.
Show threadJonathanFeb 24
@FreakyFwoof @charlesv @TheQuinbox @Bri @simon @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Oh heck yeah I love this speed.
Show threadSimon JaegerMar 1
@charlesv Finally, finally have some time to actually play around with this thing, and all I have to say is wow. Responsiveness at 0 MS is insane, and I haven't seen it fall over itself at all, so I'm just going to keep it there. It's worth the stuttering announcements to have that level of responsiveness. Thanks for this.
@Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn
Show threadAndre LouisMar 1
@simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn As soon as I saw the option, I set it that way. Gonna be sending a video to Tim Adnitt showing me switching Move to that, and asking them to do the same for the accessibility helper. Can't stand the lag.
Show threadSimon JaegerMar 1
@FreakyFwoof @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Are you telling me that lag is intentional?
Show threadAndre LouisMar 1
@simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn It's the same 300 MS debounce I believe. Now I know the name of it, I will say 'Oy, kill it!'
Show threadScottMar 1
@FreakyFwoof That's already in the works via other Tim. You could try getting whatever this buffer thing is decreased for earlier hardware, I can't get them to move on that yet. @simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @pkirn
Show threadAndre LouisMar 1
I no longer have older hardware to do a live demo though, otherwise yeah.
@Scott @simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @pkirn
Show threadScottMar 1
@FreakyFwoof Do they need a separate demo with that? Big unnecessary buffer is the same. @simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @pkirn
Show threadAndre LouisMar 1
Then they should know it inherently. Still, will mention anyway. @Scott @simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @pkirn
Show threadScottMar 1
@FreakyFwoof Think there is a way I could show the difference. Make a ReaKontrol map to get KK's arp on the knobs. That approach won't have the buffer. @simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @pkirn
Show threadKara GoldfinchMar 1
@simon @charlesv @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @BorrisInABox @Scott @pkirn Agreed. It's fantastic. When I don't want to hear the stuttering when I'm editing a parameter it's no big deal to turn the screen reader off then put it back on when I've finished.
Show threadBorrisMar 1
@KaraLG84 @simon @charlesv @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn Yeah, this is what I do. I actually do quite a lot with the screen reader off when working in the standard move UI, just because I have memorized most of the layout. Of course, when I need to specifically care about values and names, I turned it on, but, say, when browsing through presets or playing with automation, I very often disable it.
Show threadAndre LouisMar 1
@BorrisInABox @KaraLG84 @simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn Often do the same. When I was in a hotel (pre Move Everything) with captive portal and thus no access to screen-reader, wrote a whole thing blind, both figuratively and literally. Once you know, you know.
Show threadBorrisMar 1
@FreakyFwoof @KaraLG84 @simon @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn I wrote a couple of the things I posted for #Movuary like that.
Show threadSimon JaegerMar 1
@BorrisInABox @KaraLG84 @charlesv @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn That reminds me. Which button toggles it? The documentation says "menu", but if any button actually has that label on it, I don't know about it and neither does the layout file.
Show threadAndre LouisMar 1
@simon @BorrisInABox @KaraLG84 @charlesv @Bri @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn Hold shift, double-tap Note/session.
Show threadKara GoldfinchMar 1
@simon @BorrisInABox @charlesv @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn The note/session button. He called it that because the icon on it resembles the hamburger menu thing.
Show threadSimon JaegerMar 1
@KaraLG84 @BorrisInABox @charlesv @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn Oh, thanks. Never would have guessed that.
Show threadKara GoldfinchMar 1
@simon @BorrisInABox @charlesv @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn same here. I had to ask someone as well.
Show threadScottMar 1
@KaraLG84 Great info, but now I want a hamburger. PM-ing my address now that you're obligated to send me one, pretty sure that's how this being helpful on the internet thing works. @simon @BorrisInABox @charlesv @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @pkirn
Show threadKara GoldfinchMar 1
@Scott @simon @BorrisInABox @charlesv @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @pkirn Sorry I'm out of hamburgers. Only got beef ones if that'll do you. :)
Show threadsuper hellMar 1
@simon @KaraLG84 @BorrisInABox @Bri @FreakyFwoof @TheQuinbox @Scott @pkirn i updated the manual (finally)